Talk:Illuminati Order

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Everything posted is true and verifiable. We are not a small "web only" organization. We are not concerned with conspiracy theorist's speculations about what the Illuminati is.

Indeed, we run the forum located at yahoo. And indeed, we are the United States national head for Orden Illuminati. Any lack of understanding by any individual who chooses to ignore our explanations of what is located at http://www.theilluminati.us is their choice as we are open to explain as much as is not classified private to our Order.

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The Illuminati Order USA

United States branch of the Illuminati Order

This Organization has been found to be the United States Head for an Organization out of Barcelona, Spain, by the name of Orden Illuminati founded by Gabriel Lopez de Rojas in 1995.

They claim that they are Descendants and Heirs of a common Ancestor inheriting the original Rites of the Bavarian Illuminati (q.v.), now practiced as the 13 Degrees containing the age-less wisdom originally disseminated in the 18th century C.E. Orden Illuminati clearly states that their God is the God of Light, which they call Baphomet or Lucifer whom they do not associate with Satan or the Devil.

They claim that their Affiliates and Lodges are located in the United States, Spain, Italy, France, Latin America, Portugal, Ecuador, Bolivia, Brazil, Puerto Rico, Honduras, Mexico, Colombia, Chile, Cuba, Uruguay, Panama, Venezuela, Guatemala, Peru, Argentina, Germany, England, and Africa.

They also are stated to be the Visible Head, upon the arrival of the E:. Z:. (Era of Zion) of the Great Architect of the Universe (the internal God of Light) and have been charged with announcing our message on planet Earth, and through out the Universe to those who will hear it. Our message is the age-old message of Love and Freedom.

Their statement is that they are a Paramasonic Order not adhering strictly to the present Landmarks of Freemasonry, and that they are anarchistic and equalitarian in their work as they promote true liberty and the sovereignty of the self by shining Light upon the darkness of political and religious enslavement of mankind by the cults of slavery. They suggest that the power lies in something bigger than the visible politics, the puppet of Religion

They state that the Slaves of false Gods will be freed and the Slave Masters and false Prophets will be punished by the natural laws as they go against the old chain of humanity.

The email address nationalhead@illuminatiOrder.us is provided for verification and further information.

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[edit] Solomon Tulbure?

Is this created by the Illuminati Order which this claims is fake? JamesDay 20:12, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The Illuminati Order has nothing to do with

Solomon Tulbure (aka Maximus Illuminati). He did not practice the Rites, and him, his so called Order, and his books have been effectively debunked. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Solomon-Tulbure-Exposed, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Maximus-Illuminati-Exposed, and http://nodeity.com/tulbure.html

[edit] Redirected

I redirected. The content formerly at this location should go at Illuminati Order of the United States, if it goes anywhere. That said, I'm not convinced it should go anywhere, because it seems very esoteric, and self-promoting yourself on Wikipedia is very much not cool. Martin 19:54, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I also wonder if the user is a return of Khranus. I just have a hunch - note the liking for conspiracy speculation... -- Pakaran 21:14, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Not Khranus

I am not "speculating" and I have no interest in conspiracies. I am not Khranus, if that is a person. If you REALLY want to know who I am, I can make that happen. By the way, how do I put my name and time on my notes like you all do? Thanks.

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I'm sorry - I had a hunch that you might be an ID of a user who was banned from this site. To sign your name and date, just type ~~~~, or only 3 tildes to leave the date out. -- Pakaran 21:25, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I just listed Illuminati Order of the United States on VfD, as it has the same content and the same comments apply. This article should remain a redirect to Illuminati. Martin 21:29, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Maybe it's time to request protection of this article, given the frequent reversions? I'm going to post something on current disputes over articles in a sec - if nothing else, there is no need to oscilate between two versions this often. -- Pakaran 21:32, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
After some consideration, I have realized that you are almost certainly not Khranus. I posted a retraction to the project mailing list as well, and I'm sorry if I offended you. I have a fairly large school project due in 6 1/2 hours, so I'll not be online, but you have my best wishes. -- Pakaran 22:39, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] I tried

Lets just put it this way - I tried. Shall I'll leave you people to have it your way. I've put the information out there. Shall I cease and let you do what you will with it? I thought that wikipedia was something different. I'll personally remove all the content associated with the Illuminati Order USA, and Orden Illuminati. Let me know. Thank you. Illuminati 21:38, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for trying. I would ask that you focus on discussing the article and answering questions on it, rather than being quite as quick to edit. Be assured that we will consider Illuminati Order of the United States carefully before coming to a decision either way. If you genuinely believe it should be included, we will certainly take that into account, but there are other things to consider as well. Martin 21:42, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Ah! But theres the rub. No one has asked me *anything*. I must admit that there is a certain learning curve for posting a proper wikipedia-styled article. Perhaps I would try again. I took time to type information that is personal to me; not because I'm a theorist or researcher, but because I've actually experienced much of what I've typed. Notice there is nothing mentioning anything historical except where the current order derives it’s beliefs. At personal expense I can prove to anyone I trust that I am a Freemason, Rosicrucian, and have 1st hand knowledge of the Illuminati. And no, none of them are directly related. Being any one of them does not make you the other. Much of the information found on the internet is inaccurate about the current state of the illuminati, but there are some definite areas of truth. Conspiracy theorists have managed to do what they do to everything. Distort the truth. And then theres the ageless conflicts of religious beliefs and the defending of the hierarchy. Today I have learned that there is a natural system of checks and balances. I’m sure I am not the 1st to try and paint a more accurate picture, only to have it edited 10 mins. Later. Personally, all I will do is note that I attempted and had to move on. That’s all I can afford to do, particularly when some might say I’ve over stepped my bounds anyway. So again, since this is your world here at wikipedia, you will do what you must, as you have inferred. Thank you. Illuminati 22:05, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Illuminati, you may want to refer to manual of style to see how to create a proper article. Wikipedia's "prime directive" is neutral point of view, or NPOV. I have no idea what version of the article is "current" now, but if you do decide to post something, try to make it as neutral as possible. I know it's sometimes hard when a subject is very close to you, but if it is heavily biased, it is going to be deleted or edited mercilessly by someone who may not know as much as you, the original author, do. So I suggest you visit the link above to find out what is expected of Wikipedia's entries and the style and markup used. Peace. —Frecklefoot 21:56, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Hahah! I think you've hit the nail right on the head. Thanks. Illuminati 22:07, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia and its editors are 'Enlightened'

Heres something most of you might not realize. Wikipedia embodies the Illuministic philosophy. Democracy, Libertarianism, Equality, and Freedom seem to be a fundamental part of the Wikipedia system. So too are these things the glue of a humane existence for each and every one of us. Ok! I won’t spew any more of my personal opinion, but who can deny that each individual wants not the same? Though the dictator may not offer them, they want to be treated with them. I did realize a flaw in having the freedom to voice my opinion. That flaw was that I might be able to offer bogus information. The paradox is that I had the freedom to do so. The further flaw was that I could be squelched so easily, even if I spoke the truth. The solution seems to be in the checks and balances and having the proper system to do so. Wikipedia offers the ‘potential’ Freedom ‘and’ the truth that most of us seek. I see Wikipedia’s task as being the same as the Illuminati: How to realize Truth and Freedom without falling into the abyss of totalitarianism, misunderstanding, and self-destruction. Illuminati 23:09, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)