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[edit] Suggestion for slight changes including the addition of an events section

I've recently added a reference to the upcoming Ilkley Beer Festival which is being organised by Ilkley Round Table. I have placed the item after the reference to the Literature Festival which seemed a logical place.

It begs question of whether there ought to be an Events subsection to the Culture and Attractions section. This would probably necessitate some slight reorganisation of certain event information already listed. For example highlighting the Literature Festival which currently is somewhat lost - after all it is the third most important event of it kind in the UK now.

Other major events that spring to mind include; The Ilkley Carnival, The Ilkley Summer Festival, The Complementary Medicine Festival, The Lions Charity Bonfire, Ilkley Playhouse productions, not to mention The Upstagers. This list is not exhaustive and I would invite other contributors to add to it.

Whilst proposing this change might I also suggest reorganisation of page generally. For instance, shouldn’t Education have it own section, rather than be included in the Culture section?

Having had a look at Leeds, it does seem better structured. Pdriver 11:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes to all of that. Be bold, but thanks for consulting. --Tagishsimon (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagishsimon (talk • contribs) 11:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Suggest having a look at WP:UKCITIES which gives layout for UK settlement articles. Keith D 12:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

What the 'ecky thump is a Hydro? Also is it really necessary to point out that Ilkley doesn't lie in the middle of Ilkley Moor? I mean how many places do? Bagpuss


[edit] Notable residents

The Notable residents list seems a little long!! Who are all these minor celebs? Can we remove this section it makes ilkley look like it is a hang-out for z-list celebs!! the previous unsigned comment by IP 82.47.148.3 on 21:25, 23 May 2006

Well I would personally consider that if the person has not got their own page then they have not passed the test of Notability so need not be included. Similarly while Gomez are notable the fact that they recorded an album in Ilkley is not mentioned on their page & therefore is probably not notable. Conversley perhaps Ilkley does attract minor celebrities after a quiet life? If the section gets too big then it could get split into a page of it's own but I don't think its got that far yet.MGSpiller 22:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Other individual entries are suspect, such as Richard Whitely, who lived in the next town along, Burley in Wharfedale. Apparantly he has some (unspecified) "connection" with the town. --Tagishsimon (talk)

[edit] When is something in Ilkley and when is it not?

How strict do we want to be? Example: Westville House School has just been added. This school is actually in the Washburn ward of Harrogate Local Authority. Can it really be said, therefore, to be an Ilkley school? Yes, it's near Ilkley, but then so is Addingham, etc. Of course, if we go down the strict route we'll have to remove other stuff (most probably Ghyll Royd school, some Notable residents, etc). What are your thoughts? --Richardob 17:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd go for a strict definition, since we can afford to have articles on 'dingham, &c. Even Washburn. Wherever that is. Anything, in short, to remove Richard Whitely (ex resident of Burley Woodhead) from the notables list. Methinks the bounds of Ilkley might be Ilkley, Ben Rhydding & Middleton. The only counter-indication is the geographical scope of Ilkley Parish (assuming there is such a thing). To where does that extend? --Tagishsimon (talk)
I noticed you weren't keen on Richard Whitely being listed as an Ilkley notable. But the fact is, he lived in the Parish of Ilkley. He lived in Burley Woodhead, part of the Rombalds ward, the north part of which was in Ilkley Civil Parish before 2006. Last year, Burley and Menston formed their own parishes which meant the boundary of Ilkley CP was reduced to the Ilkley ward. But that's why obituaries like this one say he's from Ilkley. That's why many Burley-in-Wharfedale, Burley Woodhead, and Menston residents give their addresses as, for example, 99 Wonderful Road, Menston, Ilkley. The Ilkley page documents Ilkley as town and as civil parish. I've recently clarified the situation on the page. I'm happy to clarify which part of the parish Mr Whitely was from. Thoughts? --Richardob 00:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


On Whitely, I'd be more convinced if he appeared on a Burley in Wharfedale page, since I associate Burley Woodhead with BiW more than with Ilkley. And in my universe a Menston person should feature on the Menston page. It's somewhat a principle of subsidiarity ... Ilkley may have been his parish, but there are pages to describe the parish's subdivisions (Ben Rhydding, Menston, Burley) and content, again in my universe, should be pushed down to the lowest level. High Royds (sp) should not appear as an Ilkley hospital. (I guess that's closed too by now?). In sum, I concede the pre-2006 parish argument but counter with the subsidiarity argument. (And for the avoidance of doubt, am I right in thinking that the northern part of the Rombalds Ward which fell inside the Ilkley parish boundary was BiW & Menston ... what comprised the rest of the ward. (I think we might be able to tighten up the paragraph defining the parish - I come away from it with a nagging doubt that I understand it fully.)) Ah. But you've pointed me to maps now. I'll go look. --Tagishsimon (talk)
Thanks for your comments on subsidiarity. Unfortunately I'm not sure it's quite that simple. Relationships between subsidaries are, in my opinion, much more complicated. Let me demonstrate my point with an example. The very existence of the Ben Rhydding page suggests a certain nobility, that BR has a fairy important and distinctive history of its own that ought to be documented on its own terms (on a separate page). I'm all for this. Ben Rhydding can be seen as a village in its own right, emerging from the hamlet of Wheatley, taking its newer name from the hydro, etc, etc. It seems to me that if we exercised the sort of subsidiarity that you are arguing for we would, at once, remove as much to do with BR from the Ilkley page as possible (apart from bare facts, that it falls in the civil parish, etc). But Ilkley and BR, as I'm sure you'll agree, has a much more complicated relationship than that, which is why the Ilkley page documents stuff to do with BR and why I'm also not about to remove the BR schools and churches from the Ilkley page. To not talk of BR on the Ilkley page and to not talk of Ilkley on the BR page would be to lose a sense of perspective or context. It is on a similar basis that Mr Whitely is included. He had a relationship with Ilkley. Yes, there's the technical point that he lived in Ilkley Parish, there's also the point that he was known as an Ilkley man (as many newspaper articles testify). He himself said he lived on Ilkley moor (not the same as Ilkley, but again, a testiment to an Ilkley relationship). From a personal perspective, I lost count of the number of times I saw Whitely in the supermarket doing his weekly shop and the number of times he was involved with Ilkley activities, like the opening of the bandstand (see Ilkley Gazette). Whilst I think we're both now advocating strictness, surely this is another example of where to employ the strictest of subsidiarity would be to lose a sense of perspective. Peace, brother. --Richardob 02:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yup, you speak sooth. I'm content to leave him in the list. --Tagishsimon (talk)
I forgot to respond to your point on Middleton. What do you mean by the "bounds of Ilkley" including Middleton? What relationship do Ilkley and Middleton have that Ilkley and Addingham don't? Middleton isn't in the parish (until like Burley Woodhead pre-2006. By the way, this page has a small map showing the boundary of Ilkley CP in 2001. And this one shows the boundary of Middleton CP. I've only just learnt that it's got one!). What I will say is this: Middleton is an absolutely tiny hamlet. 99% of Westville House pupils will probably come from Ilkley, Addingham, Burley, etc, so you could still list WH on the basis of this relationship. I still think the strict approach is tidier. I found it very interesting that you added Ghyll Royd (in Burley) after your comments on Mr Whitely. :-) --Richardob 00:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, totally guilty as charged on the Ghyll Royd issue. And I accept that Middleton is not in the parish, but it feels like part of Ilkley, non? (Actually, non. I'm probably mistaking Curly Hill for Middleton, having looked at the CP maps). The parish boundary was all but invisible to me when I scribbled my last note. That said, I have nothing particular I want to say about Middleton in the Ilkley article, so I'm happy to withdraw that from my examples of "in the bounds of Ilkley". I'd be more tempted to relax the rules for schools, since they're more likely (in my imagination) to be used by people who want to know what schools service the town, rather than which are strictly in the town; so would put a qualifier of BW or Middleton. (That said, I have no ready explanation for stopping at those two schools and not adding St. Mary's Menston or Bradford Grammar.) But I'm neither fussed nor very convinced by my own argument ... hapy to go strict with schools. --Tagishsimon (talk)

[edit] The Swastika Stone, a rock carving believed to be 3-4,000 years old

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=active&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=wWN&q=swastika+stone+ilkley+iron+age&btnG=Search&meta= suggests that it may be iron age.

http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/swastikastone.htm isn't sure. We could do with an archaeologist giving some probabilities on the age. -- Chris Q 14:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)