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[edit] Please, no personal attacks

You may not agree with my edits, but to call them "vandalism" as you did in the summary of this edit can be seen as a personal attack, which is not allowed under the Wikipedia policies.  --Lambiam 16:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Ne yapmaya çalıştığını açıkça ortada; Türkler hakkında yabancılara yalan yanlış bilgiler (doğrularla harmanlayarak) sunuyorsun, bunu da kasten ve bilerek yapıyorsun. Ben sana kişisel saldırıyı durup dururken yapmam, sen Türkler hakkında böyle yalan yanlış şeyler yazarsan olacağı budur. Birşeyi zorla knıtmış gibi sunmaya çalışıyorsun, makaleleri okuyan da Türkiye'de hiç Türk yok zannedecek. Böyle devam edersen bende ırkçı duygular uyandıracaksın, ki, ırkçılığı hiç sevmam. Ben de sizin kakkınızda seninin yaptığın gibi şeyler yaparsam bakalım tepkin ne olacak.
Yapma arkadaşım, lutfen. Şurada geldım, ve çalışyoruz... lutfen... Şimdi ingilizce. We are working very hard to make sure everything is correct and we don't want any edit wars or any large fights. Right now we are all looking at the article to see how we can best solve the problems. Thank you, my friend. Teşekkürler, arkadaşım. Monsieurdl 13:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
The article Turkish people. Sorry about that! Monsieurdl 02:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From Russia with Love

For your information. The Hammer and sickle is not the flag of the Soviet Union; it is a more general symbol of communism that occurs on that flag but is accompanied there by a five-pointed star. It also is used on the flag of the Russian SFSR, and thus equally associated with Russia. As SMERSH, a Soviet counterintelligence agency, has a pivotal role in the plot of the film From Russia with Love (as well as in the novel it is based on), it is entirely appropriate to use a Soviet-related symbol in this context.  --Lambiam 06:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

See From Russia with Love (film)- it is set partly in Istanbul, showing the Ayasofya and Yerebatan Sarayı. I'm sure that if you saw it you'd know it. It is an older film from 1963, and it was around when it was the USSR. :) Monsieurdl 12:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bulgaristan

Ben senin ne yapmak istedigini hala anlamis degilim. Bulgar-Türklerini "native" görüyorsun diye listeten cikariveriyorsun. Peki ozaman neden Makedonya'yi ve Yunanistan'i silmiyorsun? Bir seye artik karar ver ve baska kullaniclara da saygi göster. --Babaeski (talk) 22:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Öncelikle, Bulgar-Türkleri kim??? Ben Bulgaristandaki Türklerden bahsediyorum. Bulgar-Türkleri diyerek aslında daha kökten bilgisiz olduğun ortaya çıkıyor. İkinci olarak, ben, orada, tartışma bölümünde neden Bulgaristan'ı listeden kaldırdığımı belirttim, oysa sen tartışmaya bile katılmadan Bulgaristan'ı geri eklemişsin ve beni saygısızlıkla suçluyorsun. Üçüncü olarak ise Makedonya ya da Yunanistandakilerin ne düşündüğü ya da ne oldukları benim umurumda ve bilgi dahilimde değil, ben, konu hakkında bilgi sahibi olduğum kısımda değişiklik yaptım. Ben senin yerinde olsam maddelere balıklama atlamam, önce bir araştırma yapardım; diaspora 'ın anlamına bakarsan zaten Türklerle bile ilgisi olmadığını göreceksin ki ben en azından yerlilerin dispora olarak anılmasının komik ve aptalca olacağı gerekçesiyle Bulgaristan'ı kaldırdım. Zaten maddeyi oluşturan da bana katılmış. Bu madde silinse daha iyi olur. Bir de kararsız gibi davrandığımı nereden çıkardın?--Ilhanli (talk) 18:32, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

E sivri zekali arkadasim peki ozaman Türkiye'nin listete isi ne? Herhalde Türkiye hakkinda bilgi sahibisin. Yani uzun lafin kisasi, Bulgaristan'nin önüne Türkiye'de oldugu gibi bir - koysan olmaz mi? Yoksa biz farkina bile varmadan Türkiye bizim icin Diaspora mi oldu?

Bence liste söyle olmali

-Türkiye -Bulgaristan -Makedonya -Yunanistan -Romanya -Suriye

1. Almanya . . .

Ve sunu da unutmayalim lütfen. O listeyi okuyan herkes Türkiye disindaki Türkler hakkinda bilgilenmek istiyor. Bulgaristan'daki Türkleri liste disi birakmakla, sanki onlarin ordaki varligini inkar eder gibi bir duruma yol aciyorsun.

Istersen konu basligini deyistir, ama Bulgaristan muhakkak listeye tekrar girmesi lazim.--Babaeski (talk) 00:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Dispora kelimesinin anlamına baktın mı? Türkiye'yi çıkaracaktım ama senin gibi insanlardan Türtkiye'yi geri getireceği için hiç uğraşmadım. Türkiye çıkarılmalı, Bulgaristan'nın niye geri getirilmesi gerektiğini hala açıklamış değilsin.--Ilhanli (talk) 13:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Yaaa, Türkiye listeye dahil değil ki!--Ilhanli (talk) 13:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish army

Hello!

But Turkey wasn't founded until AD 1923, so how can its army have been set up in 209 BC? Maybe a predecessor to it was founded back then, but it couldn't have been the Turkish army. /Ludde23 Talk Contrib 13:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

This sentence comes from the article about the Turkish army on the Turkish Wikipedia:
"Türk ordusunun tarihi Orta Asya steplerine kadar gitmektedir.M.Ö.209 yılında Mete Han tarafından kurulduğu düşünülen Türk Ordusu dünyanın en eski ordularından biridir."
Could you please translate it for me? /Ludde23 Talk Contrib 13:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

I have left a warning. Generally, personal attacks can, I believe, be reported at Wikipedia:Administrators' Noticeboard/Incidents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred Bauder (talk • contribs) 16:14, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Since User:Fred Bauder already warned the user for making a personal attack, you really didn't need to report it at WP:ANI. But for future reference, you can find an admin or just go straight to WP:ANI. Thanks, Rjd0060 (talk) 17:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
ok--Ilhanli (talk) 17:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arbcom notification

I see you have been edit-warring extensively on Turks in Bulgaria (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs), together with others. Under the terms of [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia}}, I am hereby putting you on notice that you may be placed under a revert parole (1 rv per week) or similar restrictions if this edit-warring continues. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish people in Bulgaria

I have explained my reasons for removal of that section on several occasions in the talk page; you may see at least the last but one of the current topic, where I have explained my reasons for the removal and saw no answer. Нямам абсолютно нищо против турците, но няма да се съглася на едностранно редактиране на страницата само от турска гледна точка. Много добре знаеш разликата между тюрки и турци и другите тюркски народи като прабългари, кумани и така нататък нямат никакво място в тази статия. Поздрави, --Gligan (talk) 14:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit-summary

Are you mocking me? This is not the way to behave. --Laveol T 01:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

No, i cannot understan that why there can be turkified bulagrians but not turkified turkics? --Ilhanli (talk) 01:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I'll remove both then. But try providing some useful edit-summaries and do not mock other contributors. --Laveol T 16:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Formal Mediation

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[edit] Gun

It is known by several names, see the image in the article for the name used. Chessy999 (talk) 10:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


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[edit] Polite Caution

Caution Your image, Image:Pentagon and the ghost plane.jpg is already on Wikimedia Commons under the more NPOV name, Image:Pentagon crach site.jpg. I am not sure of your intentions of notifying me of your "ghost plane" image, but I am politely cautioning you that the 9/11 article and talk page are not places to discuss 9/11 conspiracy movements or theories. An arbitration decision has already been made and authors promoting such material are subject to discretionary sanctions that include topic bans and blocks. Thank you for making me aware of this image and I have taken its inclusion under consideration. -- VegitaU (talk) 00:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Turks in Bulgaria...again :-)

Hi Fella,

come and read this, please.

I have to tell you, i was a bit hot-headed when i wrote it; now i've calmed down over the weekend.

But i'd still like you to read my suggestion there (it's a rather long comment, but it's an issue we clearly both care about so i'm sure you will - please do not answer me before you've read down to the end.)

I posted it there cause the user Docboat had been edudicating the issue a few months ago and i wanted him to get in touch with you. he suggested to me that i talk to you directly, however, sо here i am.

all i want is for us to try to come to an agreement, preferably based around my above-mentioned suggestion, or something similar - i want to hear your opinion.

i look forward to hearing from you ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.176.111.68 (talk) 11:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


  • Great to see this guys! If you need help, let me know. I shall watch this page for a while. docboat (talk) 01:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)



In answer to your question what does diaspora mean in French:

translation:

  • 1. The knowledge and fact of claiming a national identity
  • 2. The existence of a political, religious or cultural organization of the dispersed group (associative life)
  • 3. The existence of contacts in various forms - real or imaginary, with the territory of the country of origin (the intergration of a dispersed group does not necessarily mean assimilation in[to the society of] the destination country.)

now i know what youll say - in no.2 it says "of the dispersed group" - and in Bulgaria they aint dispersed, but always lived there;

BUT in no.3 it says "with the original country" - which Bulgaria used to be (part of Ottoman Turkey), but isn't any more - right?. The "original country" has become smaller. so the main part of their (your) cultural identity is now focused beyond the borders of the country in which Bulgarian Turks live.

so we're both right - which is what i'm saying about the split table, which differentiates between "native" and "migrated" - see?

now, come on, i want a proper discussion - not just one-line answers. i want this issue to be sorted once and for all - give ma a good reason as to why

  • we shouldn't have a split table;
  • we should get rid of info from an encyclopedia.

i'd like an answer that's more detailed than "it ain't a diaspora" - ok, i said fine, specify, but talk to me mate, dont just turn your back and do what you want - that aint the way to go. 62.176.111.68 (talk) 09:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

ps. see, i'm being all friendly with you trying to get a conversation going and you're just giving me rhetorical question-answers. is that fair? please dont just avoid the issues - we should be on the same side here - i've never met a Turk arguing your side, and rarely a Bulgarian aruing mine - yet that's just what's happening here - random, eh?! :-P

I've posted a reply on Docboat's page. 62.176.111.68 (talk) 14:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PKK

It already documents what countries have labelled the PKK as a terrorist organization. What is wrong with this:
The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization internationally by a number of states and organizations, including the United States,[6][7] NATO and the European Union.[8]
What isn't needed is a clearly POV statement, written by someone with nationalistic and libelous intentions. [1] Kansas Bear (talk) 00:34, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

"The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization" and "The PKK is a terrorist organization" are very different thing. What isn't needed is a person with nationalistic intentions, trying to "glorify" a terroris organization which killed even Kurdish babies, which babies's familes refused to help PKK [2]. --Ilhanli (talk) 00:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, for you, I'm not Kurdish, nor do I have Kurdish nationalism. Apparently, you can't read a profile. However, these statements are different:

The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization...

is a statement backed by documentation.

The PKK is a terrorist organization...

this is simply childish libel. You need to read Wikipedia policies concerning libel. Kansas Bear (talk) 00:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC)