Talk:Ikata, Ehime

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Good article Ikata, Ehime has been listed as one of the Geography and places good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.

[edit] GA Review

This article looks like it's developed into a good collection of information that can be organized into an encyclopedia article. But it still needs a good deal of work on the prose and organization, and filling in the blanks, before GA status. I'd rate this article at the early B-class stage presently.

The geography and transportation sections are very brief and need to be expanded. Specifically, under geography, I would include information on climate. The transportation section just needs more than three (unsourced) sentences.

The history section seems reasonably well-written and well-sourced, and could perhaps serve as a model for other sections of the article. The current events section at the very end should probably be added to the history section, instead of being in its own section. I would also recommend promoting the history section to the first section (e.g. suggested order of sections: history, geography/climate, demographics, economy).

There is nothing in the article on the population demographics. What is the total population of the city? How does this break down into various ethnic or cultural groups?

There are also several external links contained within the article text, including one in a 'see also' link. External links should generally not be contained within the article text, instead linking to wikipedia articles only. It might help to review WP:EL for guidelines on using external links in articles.

The lead section is also too short, and doesn't really summarize the article. It might help to review WP:LEAD for tips on writing a good introduction. You might also want to review WP:CITIES for some guidelines on how to organize the information in city articles better.

Hope this helps editors improve the article! Good luck! Dr. Cash 19:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips! I believe I've addressed all the issues you mentioned, so I'll re-submit this for Good Article status. -Amake 07:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA review #2

I have put the article on hold for now because of following reasons:

  • No references cited for the entire Festival and Events, Ethnically Ikata is extremely homogeneous with only a handful of non-Japanese residents, most of whom are either temporary farm laborers from China, or English educators on the JET Programme., and International Exchange. They should be easy to fix since it's pretty much of a obvious thing.
  • The article is overcrowded with photos. They are nice looking, but some of them could be unnessesary.
  • Points of Interest may have a little trace of original research and point of view in it, such as ..—a playground full of climbing nets, roller slides, and other exciting children's play equipment and On clear days you can see across to Kyūshū. If it could be cited, that'll be great.

That's mainly it, so it should be easy to pass a GA once they are fixed. --Hirohisat Kiwi 20:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing these out.
  • I added some references to each of the sections mentioned. Unfortunately I don't have a source for the bit about foreign residents, aside from people I know who work for the town.
  • I weeded out some of the photos. Do you think it's still overcrowded?
  • I removed the "exciting". As for seeing across to Kyūshū, I wish I could call it original research, but when I went it was cloudy :( Being able to see Kyūshū (given good visibility) is a well-known (around here, anyway) fact of the local geography (map); I'm not sure how I should cite that.
-Amake 00:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

This is a very good draft for a first-rate article; and I mean FA, not GA. Though it might as well pick up GA recognition on its way there.

That said, it has some flaws, of which the most glaring is sourcing from Wikipedia, which is not a reliable source: as we know all too well and as is pointed out in some guideline or policy that I can't be bothered to look up right now. -- Hoary 00:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hoary, please make comments here in the talk page, not with HTML comments in the article. It's very hard to have a discussion with HTML comments. To address one that I accidentally wiped out with my last edit: 「伊方町誌」 is correct; 誌 is also pronounced shi, and in this case is a somewhat archaic usage to mean "record" or "history". The book is a history of the town of Old Ikata. -Amake 01:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I've managed to replace all but one of the Wikipedia Japan sources; the last one will be difficult to find. -Amake 01:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I believe the problems has been cleared, so I will pass the GA nomination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hirohisat (talk • contribs) 03:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! -Amake 04:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

The article is much improved since I looked at it first, but I would still say it's still just barely borderline B/GA class. First of all, the article should NEVER have passed with the 'citation needed' tag in the 'transportation' section -- that needs to be fixed immediately. I would also rm the 'sightseeing' from 'transportation and sightseeing' section, as it makes the article look more like a tourist brochure and not an encyclopedia article. 'Points of interest' and 'roadside stations' should probably be moved to the 'culture' section, since these are mainly cultural attractions - the transportation section should cover the transportation infrastructure, not sightseeing information.

Points of interest' and 'roadside stations' should also be converted more to prose format, rather then the bulleted lists that they are. The 'Festivals and events' section is also a little bit too listy, and the bold subsections for the months is not really necessary -- this section should ideally be written out as prose, not listing.

The 'folklore' section is largely just two quotes; it should be expanded - I would also recommend eliminating use of the quote template; it makes the section look like just a collection of quotes, rather than an actual article. Usage of such templates sort of says that the author(s) is/are too lazy to actually write and/or paraphrase something on our one, so we're just going to steal what this other guy said. Of course, nonetheless, there is still a time and place to use such quotes, but I don't think this is it.

The 'industry' section contains only one source -- all other information is unsourced. Consider changing the name of this section to 'economy', and possibly moving it early in the article, at least before 'transportation'.

Add information on the government structure to the politics section, and change the name of the section to 'government' or 'government and politics'.

I'm not going to boldly delist this article right now, but it does run the risk of being listed at WP:GA/R, especially with citation issues. I personally would have placed this on hold on 9/3/2007, rather than passing, though. Dr. Cash 19:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

This article seems to be overwhelmingly the work of a single editor, Amake. I haven't made a single substantive addition to it; however, I did once put half an hour or so into slightly improving (degrading?) it and I respond with that experience in mind.
Some of your comments seem very fair. However:
  • the article should NEVER have passed with the 'citation needed' tag in the 'transportation' section -- that needs to be fixed immediately. I put that tag there. It was one of several that I added for the same reason, and Amake fixed all but one very quickly indeed. As for this remaining one, he could easily have removed the offending sentence. You're free to criticize this, but please don't aggrandize it to "citation issues", plural.
  • I would also rm the 'sightseeing' from 'transportation and sightseeing' section, as it makes the article look more like a tourist brochure and not an encyclopedia article. 'Points of interest' and 'roadside stations' should probably be moved to the 'culture' section, since these are mainly cultural attractions - the transportation section should cover the transportation infrastructure, not sightseeing information. I don't know this peninsula and have only once been to Ehime. However, I infer that transportation and sightseeing are intertwined. A total of seven "points of interest" and "roadside stations" are described; the descriptions may or may not appeal to you; some do sound attractive to me but I'd be hard pressed to call any but Ikata Kirara-kan "cultural".
That's not to say that the bulleting should stay, or that other improvements and abridgements couldn't be made. The write-up of "Seto Agriculture Park" seems particularly touristleafletty. -- Hoary 00:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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