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I believe he was ethic Belarusan, not a Pole. rydel 16:20, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Of course he was Belarusian - here we do not even speak of West Belarus or of the Vilenščyna (Vilnius region), where there could be a certain mixture between Belarusian, Polish and Lithuanian national identity. Here it is pure East Belarus where there has never been a Polish minority (except for some polonized szlachta)--Czalex 15:36, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Some extera information that can be added to the assassination part

When Alexander II got up to approach the wounded cossacks, He said "Thank God I'm Untouched." then Ignacy Hryniewiecki shouted "It is too soon to thank god!" and threw a bomb at his very feet. the explosion was heared throughout the city. The bombs that Hryniewiecki and his comrades had, were in fact prepared by a talented chemist Nikolai Kibalchich (rocket pioneer) who belonged to the organisation.

[edit] Suicide Bomber

I believe that Hryniewiecki was the worlds first suicide bomber. If he was not the first in history, he was certainly the first politically motivated suicide bomber, and was the father of the modern day suicide bombers.

Can we really say something like that? His cause and motivation were nothing like those of many suicide bombers, especially those popularly considered in current events. Additionally, I don't know that we could draw any sort of line between the two - I wouldn't say there is an apparent connection between (for example) suicide bombers in the Palestine-Israeli conflict and this bombing. He may be the first documented case of someone who died in a bombing, perhaps intentionally, but proclaiming him first may be an oversight (given that suicidal intentions are hard to determine after the fact, when the bomber is dead) and saying he is the father of all suicide bombers would be a terribly sweeping claim, with implications that may not be true or accurate. 149.43.x.x 22:37, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

That's correct, his motivation was nothing like those modern-day middle-eastern suicide bombers. But he was a very desperate Nihilist and he exploded his bomb right between the Tsar and himself, and had sacrificed his own life to kill the Emperor. He knew prior to the assasination that there is a definite possibility that he will be killed in this attempt to get Alexander II. He believed by killing the Tsar, it can ignite a social revolution. So yes he was the first who used the method of suicide bombing, (most likely) intentionally or unintentionally (which is unlikely). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 73rr0r157 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism (witkacy)

I'm curious how can I proceed in light of Witkacy's vandalizing the page? --rydel 23:43, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

your claims are ridiculous (like in the case of Ignacy Domeyko) - it seems that you are a known POV-pusher [1] --Witkacy 00:13, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

1. Do you know how he defined himself in terms of identity?
2. Where was Ignacy H. born? What country and what region?
3. What family does he originate from?
4. Did he or did he not start the Belarusan faction of Narodnaya Volya party?

Please do read something about this man before reverting. --rydel 00:27, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

1. As far as my sources go, both Hryniewiecki and his family spoke Polish. This article claims that he defined himself as a man from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
2. In Russia. When it comes to historical regions, you could call the area of Mohylev Dnepran Ruthenia, Northern Kievan Rus, White Russia, or even Belarus. It all depends on the context. Administratively, it was a Mogilev Gubernya of Russian Empire.
3. Hryniewiecki family? No idea. Probably GDL, I would say.
4. Belarusan faction? Sounds interesting, could you provide some more info? Especially that the NV revolutionaries were somehow hesitant to admit non-Russians into their groups.

--Halibutt 14:07, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

1. He joined "Narodnaja Volja" in 1879 and became a founder of the Belarusan faction of that party. The Belarsan national program of that faction was published in 1884 in the second issue of the newspaper "Гомон" №2 (Gomon, Homon, Homan). Now, Halibutt, could you please explain to us why a "Polish" man would put his own life at risk for publishing a Belarusan national revival program? --rydel 15:33, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
2. Just a very small addition from a linguistic amateur: After you are done answering the previous question about "Narodnaya Volya", could you also explain to us the "H" in his name? The "H" there denotes the fricative Belarusian/Ukrainian "H" (Г) that simply does not exist neither in Polish nor in Russian language. You have only plosive "G" (Ґ) and voiceless velar fricative "CH" (Х) in Russian and in Polish. --rydel 15:49, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

1. Still, it seems quite bizarre to me that there allegedly was some national faction within a purely-Russian and immune to foreigners organization, such as NV. Anyway, all books I read state that Hryniewiecki got Russified. I have yet to see a proof that he was also Belaruthenized (or whatever a word is).

1. Error. In Polish the h (IPA [h]) sound still exists, although it is currently barely ever distinguished from the ch (IPA [x]). However, it wasn't until after WWII that such changes occured, mostly because of influence of the Masovian dialect of Polish and because of mixing all of the accents and dialects of Polish during and after the WWII. Previously, the h in Polish was pronounced similarily to the Ukrainian hard h (IPA [ɦ]). Check
   

   
   , for instance. Halibutt 13:27, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)