User talk:Idmkhizar

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Some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Khizar Zamurrad Janjuah may not be well-known enough to merit articles of their own. The Wikipedia community welcomes newcomers, and encourages them to become Wikipedians. By starting an account or logging in, each user is entitled to a user page in which they can describe themselves, and this article's content may be incorporated into that page. However, to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia proper a subject must be notable. We encourage you to write or improve articles on notable subjects. --Xcali 22:21, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We are only writing about ourselves and what our eliefs and views are and this just cannot be forbidden. People can decide for themselves. The articles about is is written in a general and formal manner. Sunni Muslims and shias are allowed to advertise everywhere. They advertise their hadith even here and their sheiks and imams so why should we not at least introduce us and our views? If you want i can even give you my phone number and we can discuss it personally.

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[edit] Against Policy

Please stop advertising people in Islam-related articles. It is against policy. I doubt that many people have heard of you and Mr. Yuksel before. Wikipedia is not the place to make someone famous or raise one's credibility and support. Please remember this is an encyclopedia and all neutral/legitimate comments and edits are accepted whereas such extreme Point of View will be deleted. Also please make sure your pictures are smaller as they are taking way too much space. Even the founder of wikipedia does not have an image that large!I also would like to add that sockpuppetry is prohibited in Wikipedia. "A sock puppet describes an additional account created by an existing member of an Internet community, sometimes to manufacture the illusion of support in a vote or argument." Thus, there is a possible connection between you and user:Edip Yuksel. Therefore I would advise you that if both of these accounts are by the same person, please stop as that fits the description of sockpuppetry and it is very likely that you will "both" get banned. Thanks and I hope you will co-operate. --Anonymous editor 23:51, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

I, personally, have no major problem with making a "Quran Alone" page, which is already present. We do NOT need personal pages on "Mr. Jajuah" and "Mr. Yuksel" because that makes it a auto-biography article. Most people have not heard of you before and Wikipedia is not the place to make them hear about you because that is against its policy. Imagine if every person had a wikipedia article to talk about themselves; ofcourse you understand that is irrational and useless. Therefore, I would keep your personal views outlined on your user pages only and not in the article. Also, refrain from using large images, as that takes up most of the article and is almost a further attempt to gain support. Nevertheless, I hope you will co-operate and get rid of the personal support articles. Thanks. --Anonymous editor 00:15, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Khi- The problem is there are only very few Quran Alone people until now and to get our peaceful and perhaps ratioan view to the world we have to introduce at least those persons who are mainly involved in this project. Dont you agree?

No I do not. I realize that everyone wants to gain support for their beliefs but Wikipedia is not the proper place to do it. If everyone was to make pages for their personal beliefs, then this would not be an encyclopedia anymore. I hope you understand because this is against policy. I do, however, support that you delete all personal support articles and put your attention into creating a brief, factual, neutral article stub about Quran Alone "Muslims" that has already been established. Thank you. Oh and also read your discussion page Mr. Yuksel. --Anonymous editor 00:25, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
The Wikipedia is not a place to advertise or advocate beliefs. Please see WP:NOR and WP:NOT. --Xcali 00:29, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edip Yuksel

Do not recreate deleted pages. It is considered vandalism, and will result in your account being blocked from editing the wikipedia. Some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Edip Yuksel may not be well-known enough to merit articles of their own. The Wikipedia community welcomes newcomers, and encourages them to become Wikipedians. By starting an account or logging in, each user is entitled to a user page in which they can describe themselves, and this article's content may be incorporated into that page. However, to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia proper a subject must be notable. We encourage you to write or improve articles on notable subjects. --Xcali 00:12, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quran Alone - LAST WARNING

Please refrain from adding large scale pictures to the encylcopedia article without reason and citation. Also discuss any major edit on discussion page. Your recent edits are referred to as Vanity and if you persist it will be considered vandalism and you will be banned. Also you have violated the 3 revert rule rule. This is your last warning. --Anonymous editor 20:02, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

Khi- I dont rememeber any previous written warnings except that someone removed the pics. Now a qs. Can i put small scale pics of Edip and Khizar? Wld tht be fine?

For previous warnings please check edit history [[1]]. Also, as you and Mr. Yuksel are not well known, Wikipedia will NOT allow "vanity" pictures in the article. It goes against policy. Hope that helps. --Anonymous editor 20:09, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edip Yuksel

Copied this from the Yuksel VfD...I thought it important that you see it asap. BTW, your most recent edit to the article was an excellent example of a good edit. I used the term "sect" and though it was the first word that popped into my head at the time, I fully acknowledge that "followers" is more NPOV. --MikeJ9919 5 July 2005 18:38 (UTC)

  • Keep - It is good to see the article restored finally. And "ragib" i believe that you are a sunni or shia Muslim who doesnt like Quran Aloners and thats why you want this article deleted. Is that so or am i wrong? If thats true then i suggest you should take a look at the "sahih" hadith you endorse at http://www.y19.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=109. Quran Aloners are peaceful people and promote world peace and understanding and we believe that the Quran Alone is the ultimate guide to achieve this goal NOT the hadith. -- user:idmkhizar
    • Khizar, I've said it before and I'll say it again...you're really shooting yourself in the foot with this one. I suggest you read Wikipedia:No personal attacks, as it is official policy here. Ragib is welcome to his opinion, as are you. What you are not welcome to do is attack another user...if anything, that is likely to turn community opinion against you. Just calm down and build up the article...as long as it remains neutral (as I believe it now is), the community feels that Yuksel is notable, and this contains information about the full spectrum of his work (not just Qur'an Alone), then I'm sure it will be kept. --MikeJ9919 5 July 2005 18:30 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia is not a soapbox

What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox Zora 00:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Khizar3.jpg

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[edit] Self-promotion

Self-promotion is not a trait of one who worships the Most Gracious. You should spend more time focusing on your own level of righteousness -- your own salvation -- rather than pushing Quran Alone through Wikipedia.

Protection of the articles already in existence surrounding God, Islam, the Quran, God's Mathematical Miracle etc. is a good way to strive in the cause of God, but shameless self-promotion is more about Ego than the Lord. It is more important for people to find God's message in the Quran than to find Yuksel.

What is wrong with your logic? David.ilyas

[edit] Surah 9

What is the interpretation of Quran-aloners? Arrow740 03:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Free Minds

A tag has been placed on Free Minds, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (below the existing db tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

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JK- WAIT. Please reconsider. Yes it is about a group of people. A group which promotes peace and understanding and a more rational and reasobale interprwtion of the Quran as well as other scriptures which maybe considered ads the Word of GOD. Long have the sectrians tried to depress us but now wer coming to the light. Im not the only one of this opinion. You may join our forum and see for yourself. We welcome everybody and not only tht we even welcome YPUR interpretation. Ever heard of somebody asking others to interpret their scripture for them? I dont think so. But this is what we want. We ant you to tell us how you understand the Quran and discuss it with us or any other religious scripture for tht matter. Only then can we know tht the truth or better get a high probablity of wht the truth is like scientists. JonnyK

[edit] Wikipedia is not a soapbox

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Islam. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Editing in this manner presents a conflict of interest, considering your off-wiki activity. Also see Wikipedia is not a soapbox. ITAQALLAH 16:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

JK- Excuse me "Itaqallah" but what i added is by no means my personal opinion. It is factual and the voices of the Quran Alone submitrers to GOD need to be heard and they have a right to do so. You are the one whos being biased here by hijacking Islam and also the Quran which you think can only be understood through hadith. JonnyK

see WP:SOAPBOX and WP:COI. thanks. ITAQALLAH 16:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

JK- Why are you presenting this to me? Im not creating propaganda here. This is what many people ACTUALLY BELIEVE. It is not just my view. Please try to understand this. Many ppl have started to realize tht the hadith are nonsensical OT Biblical plagiarizations and theyr coming back to the Quran Alone. What we are doing is stating mere facts. If you find that our statements are provocative then what you can do is rephrase them BUT NOT delete them entirely. JonnyK

i'm not quite convinced that you read through WP:SOAPBOX and WP:COI. per your own userpage, your participation on such articles presents a huge conflict of interest. Wikipedia is not a place for your personal preaching, in articles or anywhere else on wikipedia, including talk pages. as for your 'facts', see WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE, WP:NOR, WP:RS, and so on. ITAQALLAH 17:30, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

JK- My intention is not to preach here at all. What i want is ppl to know tht Islam does not belong only to sunnis/shias or those who follow hadith BUT that theres a significant group who follow the Quran Alone. And as i said if you think my comments were phrased in a hiased manner and/or seemed like i was preaching, just change rephrase them without taking the Quran Alone out. That aint difficult at all. To me your insiting that the Quran Alone beleivers should not be mentioned on the Islam page indicates clear bias. JonnyK

JohnnyK, forgive my commenting on this but Itaqallah is right save for the COI part (if he were completely right there then he'd probably be in violation of it himself). Your editing is coming on strong. We as editors see it day in and day out that folks come onto Wikipedia to espouse their views about any number of things and edit accordingly. Granted what we usually see doesn't fit what you are doing (frequently it is people who want to bash Islam) but this type of editing is problematic. What I would recommend you do is relax your editing a bit and familarize yourself with Wikipedia a bit more and see how things operate in accord with WP's policies and then edit accordingly. You'll find yourself encountering much less difficulties. Thanks. (→Netscott) 19:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

JK- Dear Netscott all i want is people to recognize tht the ones who support Quran Alone are not a minority group and they cannot be left out from the main Islam page just because the hadith following Muslims are afraid it could topple their interpreattins which accroding to me are very ridiculous in many cases. JonnyK

JohnnyK, the best thing to do when you want to include content on a given article is to use an article's talk page like so → Talk:Islam. It can be a bit time consuming developming an argument for why given content should be included in a given article. Your best bet is to find notable reliable sources saying what you're saying and to cite them. The more you do this the greater the chances are that the changes you want to make will be adopted by other editors. Thanks. (→Netscott) 20:12, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

If you want to know why Free Minds was deleted, then ask User:WJBscribe (the user who deleted Free Minds. Amos Han Talk 23:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)