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Contents 1 Vegans and fungi 2 Sorry to disappoint 3 PINQ 4 Could you please 5 hi 6 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 7 Re: 8 formal notification request for mediation Richard Nixon 9 RFM 10 will try 11 Request for Mediation 12 Unspecified source for Image:PakSurrender.jpg 13 Kargil War 14 Please, use the discussion page 15 Image:Wart.jpg listed for deletion 16 Blue water navy 17 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terrorists of Pakistani origin 18 pictures for operation Gibraltar 19 do u know the peak in Lakshya 20 Removal at 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict 21 License tagging for Image:Kashmir treaty.jpg 22 tagging images with wrong-license 23 i think 24 Image tagging for Image:Ponzi.jpg 25 Request 26 Research and Analysis Wing 27 Image tagging for Image:M24-Chaffee-Tank_Model.jpg 28 Thanks for the Nixon reminder 29 Re:Kargil war 30 Jayalalithaa Jayaram 31 Indian Naming Conventions 32 Military history Collaboration of the Fortnight 33 Heads up 34 Indo-Bangladesh Border Conflict of 2001 and Kargil War 35 Diwali greeting! 36 Having a "blast" 37 In response 38 Battle of Talikota 39 MM Alam 40 Charles de Gaulle R91 - Straw Poll 41 Mediation 42 Warning 43 Talk page 44 Second warning 45 Kargil POWs 46 Image:Army buffalo.jpg 47 Battle of Talikota 48 Talikota fort 49 Greetings Idleguy 49.1 Protein deficiency from vegetable sources of protein 49.2 pl don't vandalise 49.3 Bulk of sources 49.4 Vegetarian soy protein concerns 49.5 References 50 User:Wizardry Dragon and VP2 51 Martial Race 52 Your comments on User talk:Wizardry Dragon re VP2 53 Talk:Martial_Race 54 Op Polo 55 Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent 56 tour to india 57 User:Street Scholar 58 Trip to India 59 Image:Spinks Leon.jpg 60 Heads Up 61 Thank you 62 65 telegram 63 Martial races

[edit] Vegans and fungi

Yes, 'real' vegans do eat fungi. The strict vegetarians in india are generally interested in yogic or yogic-related things and they do not eat fungi because of a belief (i may be misstating it but whatevs) that mushrooms stimulate the 'static force' in your mind (which disrupts meditation) and because they grow in dead matter that they are somehow toxic. Kellen ^T 15:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, a lot of people think fungi is nasty anyways (even vegans) so they won't eat it for that reason.Bakaman%% 16:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry to disappoint

Hi Idleguy, sorry to disappoint you, but I was out the whole day today... I do have a question in mind whenever my turn comes up next!! Saving it for then ;)-- Lost 17:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PINQ

Saw you were online; next question please! Gotta go study. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91^{(review me!)} 12:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Congrats on the win, I believe this template is yours to keep: {{India Quizmaster|6}} . Nobleeagle (Talk) 23:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could you please

Could you please have a look at Subroto Mukerjee. Am planning to do a DYK with it (may be the peculiar death bit). However, it needs some copyedit and also factcheck for any major error. You may be one of the best persons to do so. Thanks.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hi

hi. i am a devout hindu but i have some querries which i would like to discuss with someone having profound knowledge on this subject. if u have time.

also may i ask u, that are u an administrator.

and what is the procedure to place those images which speak ur faith and all those things on my main page.

thanks

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[edit] Re:

I've given both Cripipper (talk · contribs) and Red aRRow (talk · contribs) 3RR warnings. If either of them breaks it again, I'll apply appropriate blocks. However, you should refrain from violating that by yourself as well; 3RR violation can ONLY be tolerated in case of clear vandalisms. If someone starts an edit war, there report it to WP:AN/I or other admins rather than feeding the edit-warriors. Thanks. --Ragib 20:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, yes I'd failed to notice that I've crossed the 3 limit. Silly me. I'll report it to at that page in the future. Tx Idleguy 01:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] formal notification request for mediation Richard Nixon

Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Richard Nixon Rjensen 17:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFM

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[edit] will try

I will try. --Chanakyathegreat 06:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Mediation

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[edit] Unspecified source for Image:PakSurrender.jpg

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[edit] Kargil War

FA on Main Page. Congrats! -- Samir धर्म 00:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Well done! Took a while but it got there... Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks guys. :-) --Idleguy 07:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Your contribution in this article is very commendable. Thanks a lot. -- Best Wishes.

[edit] Please, use the discussion page

Is quite impolite to come to an article with has been done with consensus and change it just because you don't like it. Please, use the discussion page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Blue-water_navy

--Marneus 13:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Wart.jpg listed for deletion

[edit] Blue water navy

Hey, I'm in the process now of acquiring sources and making a comprehensive case for why the Spanish Navy should not be considered as a blue-water navy. Until then, can you keep a track on Marneus and revert his vandalism if necessary? If he violates 3RR, which he already has once, then please report him here if you so wish. Thank you!UberCryxic 00:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure? They frequently travelled and travel the Atlantic etc. Wandalstouring 12:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terrorists of Pakistani origin

I value your reputation for having a fair and unbiased opinion, so could you please comment and/or vote on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terrorists of Pakistani origin? Thanks. —Viriditas | Talk 04:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] pictures for operation Gibraltar

Tell the Pakistani army you wrote a NPOV article on wikipedia and you need pictures. Here is a gallery, if something is suitable send them the url and ask directly for it. http://www.pakistanidefence.com/images/Army_Pics/Army_Reg_Forces_Gallery.htm or browse their homepage for some more (for example intelligence, air force, special units, etc.) some pictures are look funny.

And of course you can ask these guys: http://indianarmy.nic.in/ (take a bit longer to download) If one of them gives you pictures and the other does not, tell them the other did and you can be deadcertain they find a solution.

Greetings Wandalstouring 16:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Have fun, I doubt the Pakistani do not respond, they seem quite in shape. Wandalstouring 12:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] do u know the peak in Lakshya

hi idleguy,

since you were interested in war histories, i thought you would be knowing that what is the name of actual peak on which Lakshya(movie) is made. In the movie, it was called peak 5179. If you have any idea, please reply. --nids 16:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal at 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict

The reason I removed the text at 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict is because much of it is redundant. The exception is the Arens quote (which was duplicated after your restoration); I'm of the opinion that it is merely being included as a counterweight to the Olmert quote, when while he is a notable person, he isn't at the stature of either independent analyst or leader such as Nasrallah, Bush or Olmert. The only reason I can currently see for his inclusion would be as some sort of representative of internal Israeli dissent, though again, in such a concise piece, I think it borders on OR to directly cite his OpEd, and again without outside documentation of his claims' notability in the general milieu of Israeli opinion. Please let me know what you think (and at minimum, I think a removal of what I described as redundant would be reasonable, though I could be wrong, and if you think so, let me know of that too ). Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 05:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] tagging images with wrong-license

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[edit] i think

do you work for any Intel service i think so.Yousaf465

Amusing suspicions indeed. Replied on ur talk. :D --Idleguy 02:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Your eidts suggest that,or it may be my going too much SH.Yousaf465

As the IFMy can blame Pakistan for involement in train blast i can go SH and say elmentry!watson Idleguy is a spy.Yousaf465

Does the Ministry of External Affairs, India also recommend it's spokeperson to Watch/Read too many spy thrillers ? anyway i have only watch and read sh many time about 007 i would say i have watch parts of some movies(as i don't have t.v at home) and read someting at wiki.Yousaf465

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[edit] Request

Hi Idleguy, can you have a look at this request please -- Lost^(talk) 07:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Research and Analysis Wing

Pls see that article . One user Legal eagle is making too many edits of POV nature. -Bharatveer 13:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Thanks for the Nixon reminder

I mention in an edit summary I found another section vandalised immediately before. The vandalism was deleted but the section not restored. Comparing diffs from days and months past is as important as reverting obvious vandalism, as it can be easy to miss such events. TransUtopian 07:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Kargil war

Idleguy, Reverting is not the way to go. Please report these kind of stuff to WP:AN3. I have to give you the same warning as I did to User:Mercenary2k. Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. - Ganeshk (talk) 07:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jayalalithaa Jayaram

Idleguy! There is a complaint about your work in that article. Writing about her "secret personal life" is really not relevant regarding the article. Please do not continue to edit that section until you reply to that complaint. Thank you for your appreciation. NCurse _work 17:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear Idle guy, I have given my reply in the noticeboard. Please see and give your views. Thanks Ravikumar

[edit] Indian Naming Conventions

Please note that the Indian Naming conventions are different. The son's name is written first and then only the father's name (or surname) is written. Hence the Correct name will be Karunanidhi Muthuvel and not what you have corrected. In fact this is a name Kalaignar never uses. Indian always write their name as M.Karunanidhi.  Doctor Bruno  02:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military history Collaboration of the Fortnight

You supported Tank, which has been selected as the Military history WikiProject's new Collaboration of the Fortnight. Please help improve this article to featured article standards. Kirill Lokshin 00:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heads up

Mass reverting of your edits going on in Terrorism in Kashmir. I tried to fix it once but maybe you should look at it also.Hkelkar 17:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indo-Bangladesh Border Conflict of 2001 and Kargil War

I did the change to "status quo" because I was too tired to engage in a verbal sparring match with S Seagal, who will use the "India regains possession of Kargil" thingie as a casus belli to revert war on Indo-Bangladesh Border Conflict of 2001 again, as he is itching to portray it as a "Bangladeshi victory" (I could die laughing if I wasn't so damn tired) and I just don't have the energy for talk page sparring anymore. If you'd like to pursue the debate then please do so, but I request that you monitor both articles.Thank you very much.Hkelkar 07:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diwali greeting!

Happy Diwali from BostonMA ^talk 12:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Having a "blast"

Hi, I'm in US :-( but my best friend said he set of a row of firecrackers on the street that extended the breadth of his house plus the neighbor's. Wish I were there. --BostonMA ^talk 13:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

by the way, I notice that you have given up gambling [1] for Kaartika. Good idea. --BostonMA ^talk 00:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

so many changes in your life.[2]. What next, coin collecting? --BostonMA ^talk 23:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In response

Your sources for citing his status as an ace are private and often known to be biased. He has yet to proclaimed an ace by any government or respectable source, unless that's done there will be no good source providing information on the subject. If there is one then I suggest you find it, and put it here, but as a wikipeidan I must ask you to stop using Wikipedia as a soapbox and posting your own unsourced POVs here. This is not a place for original research. As for the "Indian govt. puts it down to four kills" part, it's imagination too, never happened. If you believe it did then perheps you'll get the proper citations this time.

Good luck. Meanwhile refer to Wikipedia:Reliable sources as well. Happy editing.Freedom skies 11:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

You mean private Indian websites and private Pakistani websites. Alibaba is listed in both of them too, should we nominate him as a flying ace then ?? Did you even read Wikipedia:Reliable sourcesFreedom skies 11:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Not quite, the pro-ace accounts are all Pakistani private websites. A real ace would have clinched a Nishan e Haider not some nominal honor. It would be helpful if you pointed me towards a Govt of India, Govt, of Pakistan or a BBC report instead of private Pakistani websites. Freedom skies 11:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

If you source it according to official Wikipedia policy as mentioned in Wikipedia:Reliable sources then I have no problem. But somehow I have the idea that your sources don't qualify. Freedom skies 11:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I changed the Muhammad Mahmood Alam article to what we do know for sure. Take a look. Freedom skies 19:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Your recent edit introduced the phrase "According to the PAF, he had five confirmed kills". Which is well and good, but why isn't it sourced? You do provide sources, but none of them are reliable by themselves, so even when they state that PAF claims 5 victories (and their details as in the list given), we cannot give it as a fact. And none of the sources give any reliable source (e.g. an official publication of PAF) which we could use. So, as it is, I have to agree with User:Freedom skies that your version of the article does not conform to Wikipedia:Reliable sources policy. -- int19h 09:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

One other thing... you wrote: "I had to involve another Pakistani editor as I don't want this to become a propaganda writeup". If you do not want a propaganda writeup, the best thing to do is to involve more neutral editors, not more editors who are biased (or who can be perceived to be biased because of their background). -- int19h 09:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Talikota

Hi. Could you please provide information where you got the numbers for the strength of the two armies from. Please provide a source and add a reference note for it (like I have for the info I have brought in from my source). I recently added the paragraph for "Causes of defeat" in the same page.Dineshkannambadi 01:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MM Alam

After going out of the way to communicate about the changes that I made and meeting a Pakistani puppet as a response, I should'nt be even posting here.

Answer these questions and you might have a start on pushing the pro-Pakistan POV:-

Where does the "Pakistani government" claim that he is an ace ?? where does the "Indian government" claim that he is one ?? where are the "US govt." or the "BBC" reports on this ?? Did the "Doordarshan" cover him ?? any respectable media at all ?? anything other than private websites ?? ??

He was'nt awarded a mere Sitara-e-jurrat for his ace kills, that was just due to his actions as a pilot. Ace kills would have been good for a Nishan-e-Haider and national, if not global, spotlight. Both the Nishan-e-Haider and any coverage by any respectable media in existence is missing.

Before you go playing Mir Sadiq to your country or playing David Irving to wikipedia next time, make sure you have the sources to back your claims. Freedom skies 10:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I'm involved in another discussion regading the India-China martial arts connection. Would you tell Red aRRow that it's over ? As amusing as his Pakistani english is he does seem bent on mindlessly revrting the text.Freedom skies 10:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

As - Salam Mir Jafar Sahib,

Look what you've done.

I don't see you anywhere now, I'm the only one trying to argue out Wikipedia policies to your Pakistani friend.

Freedom skies 20:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

One request Mir Jafar sahib, at least leave the Stanley Wolpert quote of the 65 war untouched in the article. As for the length, it's a summary from a world renowed expert. Please don't shorten the summation by Wolpert or point your fellow Pakistani friend in that direction. Allah Hafiz, Jafar sahib. Freedom skies 21:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charles de Gaulle R91 - Straw Poll

There is a Straw Poll in the discussion page of the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier, can you kindly participate and if you have other persons who can provide an unbiased opinion that can help. Thanks a lot. Natobxl

[edit] Mediation

I am sorry for the immense delay involved in beginning your mediation about Richard Nixon. The Mediation Committee has been under some disarray recently, and we are trying to get the ball rolling again. Provided this conflict still needs mediation, I am more than happy to help with your dispute. Please respond on the talk page for the mediation if you are ready and willing to begin. For the Mediation Committee, -^demon^{[yell at me]} 23:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

As you have continued editing with no response on the mediation, I am going to assume that you no longer wish to mediate this conflict. Please make some form of respone within the next 48 hours, or I will proceed to close the mediation. -^demon^{[yell at me]} 05:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

Stop using my name in the edit summary, repeatedly. It's a passive attack and against policy.--Scribner 07:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page

Do not contact me on my user page. Use the article talk page or don't communicate with me at all. Your comments have been uncivil. Stay on topic and stay off my talk page.--Scribner 07:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Second warning

Please stop. If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Thank you. --Scribner 08:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kargil POWs

Did i miss something? The current table shows 9 POWs, but the tribune report says 8. to cnfuse matters further - there are only 7 names in the tribune report. Maybe better sources need to be added there? Also Youtube has a new video on kargil POWs interviews. I will count the prisoners there and update jaiiaf 12:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, now I understand it better. The indian pows we got were named Jagsir and Mohd Arif [3] But these guys went missing in Sept 1999 [4] , which is much after the kargil war, but since it was close to it, everyone is refering them as POW from kargil. If we are mentioning them, we should also mention that they were held POWs for five years without them informing india. But I do have a vague memory of another two jawans who were repatriated by Pak, either in 1999 or in 2000. jaiiaf 15:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Army buffalo.jpg

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[edit] Battle of Talikota

Thanks. Please do me a favour. Create a "note" somewhere in the "figures" paragraph indicating the matter in the section came from the India Today article. This way no one can question the authenticity of the contents. You and I know where it came from, but another reader may not have the patience to find out.Dineshkannambadi 14:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talikota fort

That would be tough considering Talikota is way off from Hampi. While I do plan to go back to Hampi next year (to study Hippogryphs-meaning pillars and parapets with horses, elephants and Yali balsutrades - imaginery beasts on parapets), Talikota is a forgotten part of its history I presume. However, I have a great book on New Light on Hampi, Recent research in Vijayanagara by George Michell et al. I can see if there is more info there.Dineshkannambadi 14:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings Idleguy

I found some very interesting information an elf gave me. Please add valid info on my behalf. I am just an observer who thinks all views should be included in articles. I am being attacked and "ganged up" on by other editors before I ever have gotten started. This is not fair. Please help. Add info to the Vegetarianism article and the Vegetarianism Nutrition article as well. Just click on right side (edit) and copy then simply paste in appropriate place in relevant articles. Thank you so much!

[edit] Protein deficiency from vegetable sources of protein

Vegetarians could develop a protein deficiency due to the lack of protein quality obtained from vegetable sources for the requirement of protein utilization in humans to meet nitrogen balance daily.^[1][2][3][4]

[edit] pl don't vandalise

the operation did meet it objectives e.g razoring the compound.So it must be turned a victory for the anti-taliban side.So let it reamin their last victory. Yousaf465

[edit] Bulk of sources

if the bulk of the sources are from a neutral or Pakistani sources then why the pov of the article is shifted in favour of India.And why there is a victrous tone towrds indian's army and pakistani miltitary being described as only saved by mircale.Yousaf465

[edit] Vegetarian soy protein concerns

Soybean isoflavones (isoflavonoids) genistein and daidzein are the primary sources of phytoestrogens in the human diet. Due to this high phytoestrogen content, some studies suggest that soy may not be safe for dietary consumption.^{[5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]}

Additionally, the increased use of soy in western food products brings an increased risk of allergic reactions to products containing the substance.^{[13][14][15][16]}

It has been suggested that eating 35+ grams of soy per day (10 grams over the amount recommended by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration) could be a cause of thyroid function suppression in healthy adults.^[17]

Research examining the validity of claims regarding soy and health has stated that soy consumption may not have the beneficial health effects claimed by some groups.^[18]

[edit] References

1. ^ Optimum Sports Nutrition: Your Competitive Edge, A Complete Nutritional Guide For Optimizing Athletic Performance; by Dr. Michael Colgan
2. ^ The Great Animal Versus Vegetable Protein Debate What Is The Best Protein For Muscle Growth?
3. ^ The Use Of Biological Value Of A Protein In Evaluting Its Quality For Human Requirments
4. ^ Nutritional Evaluation of Protein Foods
5. ^ Soy? Sorry... Tofu burgers are healthier than beef, and 8 other common health "facts" that are false Illustrations by: Nana Rausch, By: Shannon Davis
6. ^ PMID 15735098
7. ^ The Effects of Antenatal Exposure to Phytoestrogens on Human Male Reproductive and Urogenital Development by Bernard Poggi
8. ^ Soya 'link' to male infertility. The humble soya bean may play a role in the problem of male infertility, a team of researchers in Belfast has found.
9. ^ Ann Pharmacother. 2001 Sep;35(9):1118-21.Effects of soy phytoestrogens genistein and daidzein on breast cancer growth. de Lemos ML. Provincial Systemic Therapy Program, British Columbia Cancer Agency, Vancouver, Canada.
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