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DYK

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Question to idleguy

Hi idleguy,

I have seen you have a long history being involved in south asian topics

just wondering, if u are pakistani or indian

thanx

merc2k

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Thank you!

I would like to thank you for your support for my candidacy for the Military history WikiProject coordinator position. I am now the Lead Coordinator, and I intend to do my best to continue improving the project. If you ever have any questions or concerns regarding my actions, or simply new ideas for the project, be sure to let me know! —Kirill Lokshin 00:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Ophidiophobia, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 05:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Pratapa Mudaliar Charittiram

did you mean to add an article rather than rename it - rename is the prefered method. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page) 13:26, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Prathapa Mudaliar Charithram, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 17:03, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Re:Kargil War FAC

Hi Idleguy - you should undertake to make the suggested corrections yourself. Don't leave such open ends in the FAC - could pose a problem in eyes of other users. But a great job you have done on a very sensitive subject. It is a great achievement to be proud of, even if you don't get FA (I'm sure it will). Rama's Arrow 05:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Uhud

If you use tactical, for parallelism you have to use strategic. If you use strategically, you have to use tactically. It just looks WEIRD to have mismatched words. I prefer tactical and strategic, as being plainer and shorter. Zora 09:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Kargil suggestions

Hi - you don't need to link Sino-Indian war. First off, its not relevant and secondly, a category:Wars of India. Now I'm assuming Indo-Pak wars is a sub-cat of that. I certainly believe it will make it to FA status. Rama's Arrow 21:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

casualties

I didn't add the figure you asked me about. Brainhell 16:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


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Thanks...

...for reminding me of Kargil war FAC. It slipped my mind completely. Great work, I gave my comments. On another note, you may be interested in having a look at this. btw, I see 2 messages about images you have uploaded - lot of changes seem to have happened in the image use policy in the last 6 months, you may want to have a look at WP:IUP. --Gurubrahma 14:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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Talk page archives

Hello, Idleguy! Archives of your talk page should go in the user talk namespace; thus, your next archive would be at User talk:Idleguy/Archive04. The talk namespace is generally reserved for discussion pertinent to articles. I've moved your three archives to the user talk namespace, fixed the links on your user talk page for you, and deleted the redirects. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 22:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Congrats...

...for taking Kargil War to FA - I believe such a FA is worth three FAs on other subjects due to its controversial nature. btw, do let me know if you are interested in being nominated for adminship by me. Bhadani would most probably co-nominate. I'd like to review your contribs to prepare the nomination in case you are interested. btw, you may want to have a look at the current RFAs and decide if your usage of userboxes violates Jimbo Wales' latest messages. TIA, --Gurubrahma 07:13, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I too congratulate you - well done! Yes Idleguy, like you me to an Idle so Cheers today for this Sunday!!! --Bhadani 15:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

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Ta bu shi da yu 07:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. My listing on IFD has nothing to do whether I like you personally or not (you seem to have done some amazing work!). Unfortunately, we have a major issue with the number of TIME covers on Wikipedia, most of them shouldn't be here. I apologise for deleting this image and not listing on IFD. I would say you have been one of the more reasonable editors, and you provided a good rationale. State your case on IFD and the image will most likely be kept. I'm sorry that you got stuck in the middle of this issue. - Ta bu shi da yu 11:11, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

Hello, based on your contribution to wikipedia, you are surely a suitable candidate for adminship. Please accept the responsibility, so that the process of nomination may be initiated. Please feel free to respond here or on my talk page or there. --Bhadani 14:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

My congratulations on Kargil War becoming FA! Wonderful, absolutely wonderful! Also, please accept Bhadani's request and become an admin! Rama's Arrow 06:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Idleguy for accepting my request. --Bhadani 12:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I am about to nominate you for adminship. Please accept and answer the questions. All the best! --Bhadani 13:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I have nominated you. Please accept and kindly do the needful. Thanks. --Bhadani 14:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I have added your AfD appropraitely as people had started voting. Please formally convey your acceptance there, and answer the standard/ other questions, if any. --Bhadani 15:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Please correct spelling errors in your answers. Also, consider adding more - other people may want to judge you on basis of your answers. But hey - you locked up 3 votes before you even accepted! Rama's Arrow 16:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Lothal FAC

Hi Idleguy - if/when you have time, please vote up-or-down on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Lothal. Thanks for accepting RFA! Rama's Arrow 13:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

e-mail

Hi, I've sent you an e-mail to check if it is working properly. Check your mail and respond so that I'd know. Also, just check your answers for repetition of words, spelling and grammar once. You may want to add and answer additional questions as done in other rfas. All the best!! --Gurubrahma 17:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Kargil TFA

Hi Idleguy, I was about to nominate the Kargil War article for WP:TFA, but I thought I'd check with you to make sure you're okay with it, since the article will likely attract vandals and POV pushers when it finally makes it to the Main page. Let me know! AreJay 00:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA

Hello, I was impressed by your contributions, and would like to vote in support for your adminship. However, another user (user:Anonymous editor) made comments on your RfA that concerned me to the extent that I could not vote in support as of yet. I've asked a question on the RfA, and would appreciate an answer, as that would help with my vote. Many thanks. -- Samir ∙ TC 02:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I too, am impressed by your contributions and would like to support you. Would you be so kind as to address SlimVirgin's concerns (and reach closure) as well as answer NSLE's questions? I think you'll find more support if you do. Thank you. —Viriditas | Talk 12:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

You missed a question at the bottom. Rama's Arrow 17:38, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

A message

We may loose the battle, but we shall win the war – so said Winston Churchill in the context of World War II. Give me your blood and I will give you freedom – so said Subhash Chandra Bose in the context of India’s freedom struggle. Let us continue to work with utmost care to build the sum total of human knowledge. Please remeber the Lawrence School's Audio: Never Give In. --Bhadani 18:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Idleguy - I stand with you. Please don't lose a step - there are 4 good days to go and I'm sure the situation will improve. Rama's Arrow 00:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
My reply to Idleguy's message on my talk page is reproduced: This is the precise reason that so many good people live wikipedia. Who knows if such stubborn attitude persists, I may also decide to live. I am a very well settled person, and may pass my time in something still better than adjusting to whims and fancies of persons who have the attitude of holier than thou! --Bhadani 13:13, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
With 1000000 plus pages and a similar number of users, a Bhadani or an Idleguy saying goodbye to friends here shall not make any difference. Life is a flow and it shall continue to flow... --Bhadani 13:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
However, right now there should not be any cause for despair, and we all should continue to be active participants in the wiki-experience. The show must go on…as we have assembled here for a noble cause: to create the sum total of human knowledge. --Bhadani 15:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey there's some good news - the tally is improving despite criticism! While there needs to be a lot more for a "come from behind" victory, I'm sure you can be more than proud of the results in the end. Rama's Arrow 20:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I trust you may be interested to have a look of the section: do things differently. --Bhadani 13:29, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

important

Hi - there's a serious issue arisen - Bhadani wants to leave owing to a conflagration with AE on your RfA page. Let's do something quick to convince him to stay. Rama's Arrow 18:46, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hello my dear friend... Thanks for your magnanimity and kind words. My reaction, termed as over-reaction, was in response to remarks by some one who has perhaps no knowledge of the Indian culture, heritage, and tradition. I treat myself as a citizen of the world and also try to behave like one. Having said this, after all how many civilizations on the Earth has a continuous history as old as the Indian civilization and how many countries in the world has the cultural and ethnic diversities which we find here? As such, reactions by someone not familiar with different cultures create a cultural divide resulting into so many avoidable interactions. This had also happened during the time when Culture of Asia was undergoing through the process of Article Improvement Drive. Moreover, you may have heard the proverb: Guilty mind is always conscious! Accordingly, there are people who are adept at imputing motives to every deed and every word of others. When I encounter such fellows, I remember the words of Sir Winston Churchill: I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. At the same time, Churchill has also told: WE SHALL FIGHT. Yes, We shall continue to keep a watch in all the nooks and corners of Wikipedia to make wikipedia truly the sum total of human knowledge, and ensure that its credibility is not sabotaged by persons interested in disrupting the Project and driving out & away the genuine volunteer-editors and perhaps recruiting editors susceptible to pulls and pressures. By the way, we are not here for fun but doing something serious! image:tongue.png. --Bhadani 14:51, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Your contributions

Hi Idleguy, I have always respected your contributions as an editor and regardless of the outcome of the RfA, I do hope that you will keep contributing positively. I stress on this because you have been an inspiration to people like me - your DYK entries always caught hold of my imagination - your article on Annadurai prodded me to create one for Tanguturi Prakasam. Please take the comments on the rfa as a feedback - it may not be out-of-place to mention here that anonymous editor himself had to go through a second round and that his re-RFA showed remarkable improvement in his interactions. btw, we have been discussing a lot about DYK barnstar or medal and now the consensus seems to be towards a medal. You may want to have a look at it here and give your opinion. TIA, --Gurubrahma 17:17, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm delighted to note that many editors like you respect my contribs here. :) Don't worry the outcome of the RFA shouldn't affect my contributions. The only problem might be that in the coming months I might be busy :( but when I am idle I should hopefully continue editing Wikipedia. And tx for pointing me to the straw poll on the DYK medal. Idleguy 17:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Remaining busy is always good. Yes, I would request your to please continue contributing regularly - even few minutes every day or on two/ three days of the week shall be fine - at least we shall be in touch. It is needless to say that I too have always kept your edits in high regards. --Bhadani 15:21, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry about the outcome, but you should be proud that support increased by 14 votes (after 20/12, I think) despite the unreasonable nature of the criticism. Thank you for going thru this for our sake and Wikipedia. You are a great editor. Rama's Arrow 21:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Second this: my regrets and regards. I hope another desi will step forward to renominate you in a month or two — second nominations are more likely to succeed given a longer solid record of uncontroversial editing. Good work. Saravask 00:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Your request for adminship

It is with regret that I must inform you that your nomination for adminship was unsuccessful on this occasion. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to seeing a nomination with your name on it again in the future! -- Francs2000 23:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello Idleguy – I congratulate on your tenacity and determination to continue with the Project in spite of severe provocation. I trust that you shall continue to be adding value to the Project to create the sum total of human knowledge, forgetting the comments against you, most of which may have been a result of the cultural divide. We shall continue to fight to clean the wikipedia or elements who are detrimental to the long term interest of the Project by instigating the editors to run away from the Project and sabotage the creation of Jumbo Whales. --Bhadani 17:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Look I'm sorry to keep pushing this on, but I wanted to say that I'm sorry about the way the RfA was conducted - your detractors and supporters entirely hijacked a process supposed to be about you. I will not pressure you to give this another go until you yourself want to do it on basis of your desire to be an admin. In addition, apart from SV, AE and Mel Etititis, I think there was a genuine sense of concern about your "civility." I respect straight-shooters like you, but I think some others felt you were snapping. Consider working on that. Now I will leave you to it - no more pressure, but lots of support. Jai Sri Rama! Rama's Arrow 17:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

RfA/ Bangladesh Liberation War

Sorry to see your RfA fail. I guess in the course of working on disputed topics, lots of opponents are made, and that was reflected in this RfA. Please continue your great work on wars of south asia.

Now, would you care to take a look at Bangladesh Liberation War and the talk page? There are some issues related to whether the deaths can be called genocides. Thanks. --Ragib 19:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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Just a suggestion

It is just a suggestion. Depending on your time and inclination, I would suggest you to at least thank all the fellow-wikipedians who came to your RfA. --Bhadani 13:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

You did know this coming, no?

This DYK medal goes to Idleguy for his excellent suggestions on several interesting topics. --Gurubrahma 10:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
This DYK medal goes to Idleguy for his excellent suggestions on several interesting topics. --Gurubrahma 10:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Idleguy, you do great work on DYK and you've inspired at least one person (me!!!) to become a tireless contributor. The medal deserves you as a recipient. --Gurubrahma 10:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Dhyan Chand

Confirmed that there are two CK Nayudu statues - a full sized one with a bat in hand in Indore and another in Nagpur. So removed the line about DC being the only Indian sportsman who has statues in his honour. Tintin (talk) 08:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Quiz?

Hi, I believe you may be interested in this. AAnd of course, you deserved the DYK medal. --Gurubrahma 13:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


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Ethics of vegetarianism

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Busy

Busy with studies, I presume? --Bhadani 17:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

QFI

Will you be dropping in during any of the QFI Sunday meetings ? Tintin (talk) 07:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

welcome back

Hey, seems like you are back!! Welcome! --Ragib 06:03, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Image:LOC_Kargil.jpg

Please provide the sources for the abovementioned image and justify its use on Kargil War. I would also like to ask you whether the proper title for the article would be Kargil war, rather than the present one? Regards, --Andy123(talk) 06:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

About removing links from Gilgit page

[1] You removed all of these three links, only one was bogus:

I'm putting them back. Waqas.usman 20:56, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Study well

I wish that you continue to study well - people know about "the deluge of nonsense that threatens it (wikipedia) every day" - to quote SlimVirgin. --Bhadani 09:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Maj Gen Ranjit Lal Jetley

Hi there. The above article is up for deletion, firstly as non-notable, secondly as not having references. If you have an opinion on this or any information on the guy, would you like to comment at the AfD? JackyR 16:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Need help with Inter-Services Intelligence page

I have been working on the ISI page for a while now. I added a lot of citations from various different sources and even from very anti-pakistan sources. I expanded the missions while also expanding the controversies surrounding the ISI and their role in Pakistan's internal affairs, Kashmir, war on terrorism, etc...

I have it up for peer review, but I haven't received much feed back. I was wondering if you could take a look at the article and point some flaws that exist in the article which I can correct before I post it for FAC status.

Thanks

--Mercenary2k 5:46 AM May 8, 2006

DYK

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--Cactus.man ✍ 09:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Operation Meghdoot

RE: Operation Meghdoot

I appreciate that the links I added were already in the article, but other articles use similar tactics in the See Also section- they were intended to allow a reader, having just finished reading the article, to easily find another, related article: it was intended to be a summary of the more important links used in the article.

I don't want to engage in an edit war, so, to help expand the article a little and help people who don't know anything about the subject, which internal links would you suggest?

If you want to discuss it, feel free to use my talk page.

EvocativeIntrigue 16:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The links look a lot better now, thanks. EvocativeIntrigue 13:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Nichalp's DYK medal

Oh, well it got lost amongst that massive pile. Another won't hurt though, thanks for pointing it out.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 05:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

Hi Idle! Thanks for the new shiny barnstar! How are you doing? Haven't seen your around the Indian wikipedian's noticeboard or on my watchlists recently. Anyways, nice to hear from you after quite some time. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

This might whet your interest...

Hey Idleguy, I have just recently started a stub on the 2001 India Pakistan standoff — I thought this might interest you. I have added only the lead so far but plan to expand. Since you have an interest in military related topics, I request you to contribute to the article. I think this particular article has tremendous potential since it was widely covered by print and electronic media alike. Thanks! AreJay 01:50, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Hawker Hunter

FYI... I had to revert it again.

Roodog2k 18:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I am helpless

YOU: i'm again idling my time here at Wikipedia (for some time) and have an issue with an anon and have posted the details at Gurubrahma's talk page. If you can do something to stop this revert war undertaken by anon it could be helpful. Thanks Idleguy

MY reply

It is nice to learn that you are again working here. However, I shall not be able to help you in the matter as my experience says that perhaps wikipedia's policies, processes, and procedures; as also the general attitudes of the wikipedians are designed to favor anonymous and vandals, including the white-collar vandals, more than the established editors. Sorry Idleguy. I am helpless in the matter. You will have to fend for yourself - no one shall come to your help! In case, you find that you are unable to protect the contents of wikipedia, just abandon the same to the mercy of vandals – if you do more to protect the credibility of the contnets, you shall get real burns and the choice adjectives. --Bhadani 10:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand that most of the wikipedians come to know about many things only from the pages of wikipedia, and are unable to understand the "nitty-gritty" of so many topics. This makes the life of vandals easy, and the established editors look like idiots. --Bhadani 10:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

I, Bhadani, award the Resilient Barnstar to Idleguy, in recognition of continuing to be a true Wikipedian. I believe that he shall continue to work here with renewed vigor – may he continue to shine as the resilient-silver! --Bhadani 11:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I, Bhadani, award the Resilient Barnstar to Idleguy, in recognition of continuing to be a true Wikipedian. I believe that he shall continue to work here with renewed vigor – may he continue to shine as the resilient-silver! --Bhadani 11:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

This is just a token of my regards for you and your edits. --Bhadani 11:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi!!

Great to see you back in action, unfortunately I've been busy of late. I don't think Bhadani's message was too helpful, anyways, here is my take. I believe that the anon would not be very active. In case he is and he goes on in his regular pattern, pl. warn him using an appropriate message from {{TestTemplates}} - I believe the ones in "deliberate factual error" should be helpful - esp. {{verror}} and its derivatives. In cases such as these, you should probably use his talkpage rather than edit summaries. If he still continues, drop me a message and I'll block him. --Gurubrahma 09:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

shingles picture

I think the image of shingles you uploaded is not property of NIH but of ADAM, therefore should not have had this copyright tag. Too bad, but I think we can't use it... --Steven Fruitsmaak 18:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

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Vegetarianism

I disagree. I think it is a POV. All the sentence said was "some people think humans are more suited to something. "Notwithstanding the fact that..." is a clear POV because it tries to say that such opinion is wrong. -Cribananda 03:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey Idleguy, regardless of whether human-beings are omnivores or not, since we are presenting the argument of a group that asserts that human beings are naturally not omnivores, it would not be NPOV to add "Notwithstanding the fact that...". Hopefully that makes sense. Thanks! deeptrivia (talk) 04:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Invitation and Recommendations for writing articles on Hindi Wikipedia

Hindi wikipedia invites and welcomes Wikipedians to contribute for the cause of spreading knowledge and the Hindi language. This page contains guidelines for writing a wiki-article on any topic at the Hindi Wikipedia, with special recommendations for writing in Hindi (Note: The script/font-family for Hindi is Devanāgari; the script/font-system for English is Roman script, also, the Hindi spelling system is not completely standardized). This article is yet in English language (mostly), in order to encourage even non-native/foreign people who have learnt/are learning Hindi to contribute to the Hindi wikipedia, and native Hindi speakers who normally write in English. The examples given below are only for explanation. Recommendations:

  1. Firstly for proper viewing, it is recommended to keep all links NOT-UNDERLINED. Otherwise the मात्रा below the Hindi alphabets might get partly hidden behind the underlines. For this, please go to My Preferences (मेरी पसंद) at the top of the page, then click Misc., and then choose "underline links -> Never". Save your settings. Also, do not click yes for "justify paragraphs", otherwise on some browsers, the devanagari script will appear highly distorted.
  2. All users are requested and encouraged to contribute articles here, especially, to create new articles on general topics. They are also encouraged to expand the existing articles, and improve upon them. A non-user can also do the same; it is recommended but not required to register yourself as a wikipedian user at the Hindi wikipedia. As far as possible, each article should be written with a Neutral Point of View (NPOV)—no nationalistic or partiality or hatred based articles are welcome. The articles should be based on facts—and appropriate references should be provided as and where needed. See the English wiki's help page for editing in general. Almost all the general wiki-features are available for editing on Hindi wiki too. Guidelines for the content matter is mostly the same as given in English wiki.
  3. Since the Hindi wiki is at its initial stages, users are welcome to take introduction and basic points from the English (or another) wikipedia's corresponding article and translate them for small articles. An in-page link to the English wiki's article will be deemed sufficient for references (a template might be created stating this). For longer articles, it is recommended to mention the references separately.
  4. Since most computer users in India and elsewhere have the standard Western-type keyboard, it is best recommended (but not necessarily required) to use the virtual (software) keyboard like the one of Hindimozhi or of ISIS (Tavultesoft Keyman)—which are freewares. These are advantageous because the contemporary Hindi-speakers in India often write messages/chat using Hindi words but written in Roman (English) script, and the layout of these keyboards is quite the same that such people use. For example, using the "normal" keyboard with this software, typing ga would give ग and ghaa would give घा.
  5. Create the article with its name written in Hindi (devanagari script). Always take care to include the nukta (dot below) for foreign / Urdu loanwords wherever it occurs in the standard spelling. For non-Indian names, use that spelling (for article name and other words) which is commonly encountered in Hindi newspapers, G.K.-books, Hindi-dubbed TV documentaries and Hollywood films and magazines. e.g., America-अमरीका (या अमेरिका), China-चीन, French-फ़्रांसिसी. For English acronyms/short-forms, use the initials in Roman script, and again create a full form in Hindi and redirect it to the short form. e.g. IPA (अन्तर्राष्ट्रीय ध्वनि वर्णाक्षर); UNO (संयुक्त राष्ट्र संघ). Doing the opposite is also fine. But creating the article with the Hindi short form, as सं०रा०सं०, is not recommended. Also, the article proper must be written with the proper nukta, as फ़ारसी, and then, a non-nukta (mis-)spelt version फारसी should preferably be created to redirect to the correct spelling.
  6. Hindi wikipedia strongly recommends the users to write articles in everyday common Hindi in the खड़ीबोली dialect (Hindustani or Hindi-Urdu, i.e., बोलचाल वाली हिन्दी, which may include many loanwords from Persian and Arabic). The use of शुद्ध संस्कृतनिष्ठ हिन्दी is in general neither required nor recommended. E.g., use: वजह instead of कारण, ख़ास instead of विशेष, वगैरह instead of इत्यादि, लेकिन instead of परन्तु etc. However, for technical and specialized vocabulary, the use of शुद्ध संस्कृतनिष्ठ हिन्दी is recommended and usually mandatory. Thus: upper House of Parliament—संसद का उच्च सदन, but not Urdu—मजिलिस का ऐवान-ए-बाला ; Foreign Minister—विदेशमन्त्री, but not Urdu—वज़ीर-ए-ख़ारिजा ; knowledge/science—ज्ञान/विज्ञान, but not इल्म. Use spoken Hindi's ये and वो instead of यह and वह / वे. Do not use the title of respect जी after names, it is unencyclopedic. Thus: कृष्ण / श्री कृष्ण but not कृष्ण जी. Use the आप form and its corresponding 3rd person verbal conjugation for writing about respectable persons. Thus: श्री वाजपेयी मध्य प्रदेश में जन्मे थे. But not: वाजपेयी मध्य प्रदेश में जन्मा था. But do not use the pronoun "आप" itself in-text in biographies.
  7. English should be used sparingly, only when required; i.e., if the corresponding शुद्ध हिन्दी word is too "difficult and not generally encountered", or if it is a proper name of non-Indian person/place/terminology/title, or if the user is highly unsure of the proper translation. It is recommended (but not required) for English-to-Hindi translation while writing articles, the Shabdkosh online dictionary should be used. For each English word, that alternative should be used which is generally encountered in everyday spoken Hindi, and also fits well into the context. Use of intelligent guesses for newly encountered words is also allowed, and so are translations encountered in Hindi-dubbed TV documentaries, Hollywood films, Hindi-translated books, etc. e.g., दमपिशाच for en:Dementor (used in dubbed HP films).
  8. If used, it is recommended to use the English words within the articles using the English (Roman) alphabets rather than devanagari (or better, the devanagari transliteration should be used in the sentence, followed by the English word in Roman alphabet in parentheses). Such words should be italicized and not put in quotation marks. Preferably, there should be an in-page interwiki link (like :en:) on the word to the English wikipedia. If the word comes as an integral part of a sentence, so as not to break the continuity, the en: prefix should be hidden by writing the word again after the pipe sign (piped link). Thus, recommended: हैरी पॉटर ने ''[[:en:Pensieve|Pensieve]]'' के अन्दर ''[[:en:Little Hangleton|Little Hangleton]]'' गाँव में लॉर्ड वोल्डेमॉर्ट की माँ ''[[:en:Merope Gaunt|Merope Gaunt]]'' को देखा. ''[[:en:Resplendent Quetzal|Resplendent Quetzal]]'' पक्षी के ऊपर एक मेक्सिकन पादरी डा० ''[[:en:Pablo de la Llave|Pablo de la Llave]]'' ने काफ़ी शोध किया था. Whence,
    • हैरी पॉटर ने Pensieve के अन्दर Little Hangleton गाँव में लॉर्ड वोल्डेमॉर्ट की माँ Merope Gaunt को देखा
    • Resplendent Quetzal पक्षी के ऊपर एक मेक्सिकन पादरी डा० Pablo de la Llave ने काफ़ी शोध किया था
  9. Always start the first 1 or 2 lines of the article giving its definition (from any standard dictionary/other wiki) or suitable introduction. Thus, recommended: ललिता सहस्रनामन हिन्दू धर्मसुधारक आदि शंकराचार्य द्वारा रचित देवी दुर्गा को समर्पित एक पूजा-मन्त्र है, जिसे कई हिन्दू रोज़ श्रद्धा से जपते हैं । But not: ललिता सहस्रनामन मन्त्र जपने के लिये लड्डू-पेड़ा, ताम्बुल, सिन्दूर, लाल चुनरी के साथ नित्य इस मन्त्र का पाठ करें, तो जल्द ही गड़ा हुआ ख़जाना मिलेगा । Recommended: वैमानिक अभियान्त्रिकी (en:Aeronautical engineering) विमानों (en:Aircrafts) की अभिकल्पना, निर्माण और प्रचालन करने का विज्ञान, कला और कार्य है । (translated from Eng. Webster's New World Dictionary). But not: आजकल वैमानिक अभियान्त्रिकी के लिये देशभर में कई कॉलेज खुल गये हैं, जिनमें अग्रणी स्थान यूटोपिया स्थित लालू-यादव टेक्लिनक कॉलेज का है ।
  10. For names of countries, cities, places, languages, people, books, films, technical vocabulary, mythology, etc, start the article like this:
    • 1. The name in bold ('''अपोलो''')
    • 2. starting parenthesis, then English name in Roman script, in-page interwiki-linked to English wiki ff. by semicolon ((अंग्रेज़ी : [[:en:Apollo]];)
    • 3. The native name(s) if applicable in the italicized native script, preferably followed either by its italicized approximate Hindi pronunciation or non-italicized phonological transcription within / /, ff. by closed parenthesis (यूनानी : ''Aπollων अपोल्लोन''))
    • 4. the rest of the definition or introduction (प्राचीन [[यूनानी धर्म]] (ग्रीक धर्म) और प्राचीन [[रोमन धर्म]] के सर्वोच्च देवता थे ।) For country names, only the standard short form of the name is needed in the first line. If there is a common name for a difficult word in Hindustani, also mention it. Whence: अपोलो (अंग्रेज़ी : en:Apollo; यूनानी : Aπollων अपोल्लोन) प्राचीन यूनानी धर्म (ग्रीक धर्म) और प्राचीन रोमन धर्म के सर्वोच्च देवता थे । If you don't give the interwiki English/another language link (which would be deemed to be the default reference), then you MUST provide an appropriate reference.
  11. Please leave no article without an appropriate category. See the list of created categories here; you can also make a new category (pref. in Hindi). Please leave no article without at least ONE off page (like en:) interwiki link. E.g., the user can check the article name (say Apollo) on the finally redirected English page and append to the Hindi article ([[en:Appolo]])). These interlanguage links will help a bot to update all interwiki links for that article in all wikipedias. The category and the aforementioned link should be typed at the end of the article. If the article is very small, mention it as a stub/substub.
  12. Use of templates is welcome. See the list of templates here. If creating a template, name it pref. in Hindi.
  13. Use पूर्णविराम ( । ) instead of a period (.) for ending statements. The पूर्णविराम, semicolon, colon and dash (but not comma) must come after one space after the word to prevent ambiguity. Use the international form of the Hindu-Arabic numerals (1,2,3 instead of १,२,३), as used by the Constitution and the Government of India (even for Hindi). There is no need to use the हलन्त at the end of Sanskrit words wherever it occurs. Hence, prefer: संसद over संसद्; अथर्वन over अथर्वन्. Use the proper quotation marks “” from the Insert toolbox, not "". Write dates as 2 मई 2006 (ईसवी or ईसापूर्व). Write time as 3:45 pm. Separate common suffix-words like शास्त्र, विज्ञान, ज्ञान with a hyphen. Thus: रसायन-शास्त्र. For most others, leave both the words of the noun-cluster free. Combine them into one word only if it is very common to do so. Thus: सामवेद.
  14. The use of ज़ for the en:voiced alveolar fricative (/z/, as in zoo, rose) is fundamentally wrong. Its nearest counterpart is the en:voiceless alveolar fricative /s/ (as in sea), and not Hindi ज (en:voiced palatal plosive). Hence, it is suggested and recommended that for the sound /z/, whether it comes in English (etc.) spellings (z) for while pronunciation otherwise, should be transcribed as स़ (स with a dot below, available in the Insert toolbox). Hence: Reason रीस़न, not रीज़न ; Roses रोस़ेस़, not रोज़ेज़. But common Hindi words borrowed from Persian/Arabic (so-called Urdu words) are allowed to continue with ज़ spelling. Thus: ज़रा, नज़र, तर्ज़. The en:voiced postalveolar fricative (/ʒ/ as in treasure), inexistent in Hindi, can similarly be transcribed with श़. Thus: treasure ट्रॅश़र. The nukta (dot) available in the Insert toolbox can be combined with various consonants to suggest a more exact phonetic devanagari rendering of foreign sounds. E.g., since phonetically, English Think and this are not equal to थिंक and दिस, a better transcription could be थ़िंक and द़िस. Please take care of the dot below in so-called Urdu words, otherwise the Hindi spelling is deemed incorrect.
  15. For the following English vowels met, mate, mat, transcribe as मॅट (short vowel), मेट (not मेइट), मैट (not मॅट, as popular in Marathi). However in contemporary Hindi and here, it is acceptable to use ए instead of ऍ. Thus: अमेरिका is more popular than अमॅरिका. For cot, coat, caught, transcribe as कॉट, कोट, कॉट (not कौट). Transcribe English /t/ and /d/ as ट and ड.
  16. Use half-न before त, थ, द, ध, न, instead of anuswaar अं. Use half-म before प, फ, ब, भ, म. Use the anuswaar before all the rest of the consonants (not half-ङ, ञ, ण). If the मात्रा is not above the alphabet, use chandra-bindu, but only for nasalization. Thus: अन्दर, not अंदर ; अन्त, not अंत ; हिन्दी, not हिंदी ; सम्भव, not संभव ; पंचमी, not पञ्चमी ; अंडा, not अण्डा ; कंठ, not कण्ठ ; लैंड, not लैण्ड ; आँख, not आंख. However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here; the prec. are just recommendations.
  17. When proceded by another vowel, use the pure vowels instead of य (unless the य is clearly articulated while pronouncing). Thus : जाएँ, not जायें (not जावें) ; आएगा, not आयेगा . However, both forms are acceptable in contemporary Hindi as well as here.
  18. Please pay careful attention to the masculine/feminine gender (and singular/plural) in adjectives and verbs, else the sentence becomes ungrammatical.
For more information/suggestions/criticisms, please contact any one of the administrators of Hindi wiki here, preferably en:User:Magicalsaumy. This page can also be found here.

Thank you,

Cygnus_hansa 02:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)