User talk:Ideaperson

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[edit] Your edits to Wan Wan

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Wan Wan, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the work of others. Thank you.

Edit 1 in question Edit 2 in question —Goh wz 07:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, as you did to Wan Wan, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -FisherQueen 20:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning.
The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Wan Wan, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. -FisherQueen 20:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Each article has a talk page, if there are conflicts, they should be taken there first, rather than continuing an editorial war. Thanks. --Alf melmac 21:09, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Your edits to the Wan Wan Logo

Can you please explain why you keep deleting the Wan wan logo? This is a visual outline of the term. Thoughts??

Whats the abuse here? Lets discuss the real abuse by: The IP address at Cox Communications: 68.228.167.179 who has posted abusive and defamatory verbage, why havent you gone after them?


The IP address at Cox Communications: 68.228.167.179 has been reported for remarks that were made in the public domain that are considered abusive and defamatory.

Wan Wan is Japanese for "bow wow" - the noise a dog makes according to all sources checked, this is a hoax right? --Alf melmac 21:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

There was some issue in regards some of the earlier edits and possibly breaking the 3RR rule, see this page and scroll down to the report.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wan Wan

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 12 hours for vandalizing Wikipedia. If you wish to make useful contributions, you are welcome to come back after the block expires. (aeropagitica) 21:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I have received your e-mails. The article has no reliable sources with which the information contained therein can be verified. If you cannot produce any sources within the next five days then the article will be deleted according to due process. Regards, (aeropagitica) 01:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A sincere attempt to explain why I kept reverting Wan Wan

  • The "logo" does not illustrate anything. It does not add any useful information to the page. It's just the title, in a fancy script, in a black box. That's why I keep deleting it.
  • Complaints about IPs do not belong in the article, because they are not about 'wan wan.'
  • References to 'Gio' do not belong in the article, because they are not about 'wan wan.'
  • Verifiable sources that show that this term is in wide usage are required in the article, as in all Wiki articles.

If there really is a name and a history that go with this sound (and I know exactly the sound you mean), then this is fascinating to me, and I'd love to read a thoroughly researched article about where the sound came from and how it came to be so widely used. But you keep adding stuff to this article that doesn't have anything to do with the sound, its history, or how it is used.

I'll add this page to my watchlist, because I'm kind of curious about the sound now, and interested to see what verifiable facts you find. -FisherQueen 22:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A sincere attempt to explain why I kept adding the Wan Wan visual

Thanks for your interest, but I can never find verifiable facts in the web about this, that is why I wanted to put this on in the first place, and yes Gio (myself) has a lot to do with this because I am the one outlining the issue and trying to let people know that this is a term we all use. And It is a fact that I use this term more than once a day, regardless if people care or not or that this is not a verifiable fact.

The warnings on the Wan Wan page are rewining the integrity of the page.

You said it yourself that you know what sound effect this is, so this is not a Joke. Unfortunately, I have not found any verifiable information, moreover, nor do I have the time on my hands to do so. Have you found any Wan Wan verifiable facts? This is darnright rediculous and ironically this whole situation is "Wan Wany".

Go ahead and delete this page or accuse me of "vandilism". I have done nothing wrong Just starting to let the info out there because it needs to be heard. People want to hear this and know about this. I dont understand why I am blocked from editing, I have not vandalised anything and dont have the intension of doing so in any way shape or form. I get your point, I couldnt find any references or visuals that tie into the sound effect, so I decided to create one. I just dont see why a visual cant be featured here, humans are all visual people- we like to attach visuals to sounds so we can see what we hear.

People and you the viewer deserves to have an accompanied visual to go along with the term "Wan Wan"

So please tell me FisherQueen: How would you tie in a non-bias visual that is eligible to be featured on the Wan Wan page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ideaperson (talk • contribs)

Okay.

According to you, there are no verifiable facts available.

That means that you are creating an article which you know to be untrue, about something you made up yourself.

That is most certainly vandalism.

I will refer the article for deletion immediately.

-FisherQueen 23:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Correction- Wan Wan deserves to live PART I

It is not untrue: you yourslef as you stated above that you know exactly the sound I mean. I took your comment above and you asked: I'd love to read a thoroughly researched article about where the sound came from and how it came to be so widely used. Please take the time to read the below information I have conjutred up for you in PART II of my Essay.


NOTE- Correction: according to me there are no verfiable facts out there that "I" myself could find at that time because I dont have the time on my hands. http://www.grsites.com/sounds/cartoon001.shtml Ive already went through hundreds of sound effects, this is taking up too much of my time. I'm sure there's info out there, and you said it yourself that you knew what sound effect I was talking about Its unfortuante that the means of its definition needs to be translated by backed up information on the web, I am not Vandalizing anything. This is a Sound, a sound that exists, a sound that we know, a sound we are all familiar with. Sadly you feel the need to dispute this and refer this for immediate deletion when you know yourself it exists, but yet you think it is unworthy of being on wikipedia. (wan wan) I beg to differ. I am not vandalizing anything and don't have the intention of doing so. Have a great day —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ideaperson (talk • contribs)

[edit] Some facts Wan Wan deserves to live PART II - Appeal to make it live

Dear FisherQueen, the article is not "an example of a Thing I Made Up In School One Day. You said it yourself that you knew what I was talking about, and I would appreciate your understanding here. I don't understand why you keep undermining my sincere efforts of my Wan Wan definition. Here are some facts, and if these are not good enough, I'm not sure what the requirements are....

During Charles M Schultz, creator of the beloved cartoon character Charlie Brown used the Wan Wan very frequently. Eventually to in order to become more animated, some game shows incorporated this sound effect when a contestant got a wrong answer, for example in The Price is Right.

The sound varies based on the kind of instrument used. A trombone was used for Charlie Brown whereas a Tuba was for The Price is Right.

Wan Wan is very much a part of American pop culture, because a large portion of the public would have no problem instantly recognizing this signature quick and simple sound for what it is commonly know for.

Moreover, it is important to note that as with all classic compositions, (regardless of how short they may be) Wan Wan is understood in multiple language. The nations large Hispanic population would know it from popular culture as well and with the same meaning.

Truly, the Wan Wan was reason enough for large corporations to create thier own version of an auditory sound bite, or commercial clip per say. Intel, Sprint, Motorola, just to name a few, are part of a large list of corporations subscribing to the imagining power that the Wan Wan has demonstrated.


Even Nelson, the bully from the most popular animated series in the history of television The Simpsons, has his own version of the Wan Wan with his trade mark ridicule laugh "Ha Haa".


Any way this can be given a second chance, I truly believe in this Wan Wan, And I know people want to know about this. Do you have any thoughts on my above info?

Wan Wan is not a term that I use with my friends, as you have put it, In fact it is a quite famous sound effects even used by stand up comedians, it is a wideley used sound effect or even "term" sound effect widely known.

Thanks for listening

Regards, - Gio —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ideaperson (talk • contribs)

[edit] I'm not an admin

You'll have to make your arguments and produce your evidence in the article's talk page. I think that there's no evidence that the words "wan wan" are commonly used to describe this sound. But I'm not an administrator, and I can't delete your page. All I can do is what I did- try to improve it, look for sources, then pass it on for comment from other editors, after which an administrator makes the decision based on the evidence on the page and the comments in the deletion discussion. My job is finished, and there's nothing more I can do to save this page, even if I thought it should be saved, which I don't, based on the evidence I've seen. -FisherQueen 02:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wan Wan

Well I can't even participate on the Talk page because your actions of warnings have lead me to be blocked. Your support would be apprecieated but since you paint such a black or white picture here I highly doubt you will. I can do nothing at this point... but regardless, Merry christmas to you and your Family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ideaperson (talk • contribs)

[edit] Image:Wan-wan-gio.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Wan-wan-gio.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. — MCB 05:05, 24 December 2006 (UTC) --MCB 05:05, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Practice what we preach

Don't bite newcomers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ideaperson (talk • contribs)

[edit] AFD Notice

Please compleate your AFD nomination [1]. --Hu12 22:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please sign you posts

[2]Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button Image:Wikisigbutton.png located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you!--Hu12 22:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do not remove AfD notices

Please stop removing Articles for deletion notices and comments from articles and Articles for deletion pages, as you did with Wan Wan. If you continue to remove them, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. The place to discuss the issue is on the AfD sub=page for the article. --MCB 03:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

The AfD template needs to stay in place while the discussion is held on deletion of the article. It will be removed (by an administrator or a neutral party) if the consensus of the discussion is that the article should not be deleted. The discussion can be found here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wan Wan. You are welcome to participate, but please observe the formatting conventions used by others on the page. On the article, the other cleanup templates (importance, lack of sources) should remain until those issues are satisfactorily addressed. --MCB 04:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dyke (lesbian)

You did not complete the steps necessary to refer the article Dyke (lesbian) for deletion. See this page for instructions on how to do it.

I believe that your referral of Dyke (lesbian) was not a good-faith edit, but is a personal attack against me, since I referred Wan Wan, which you created, for deletion, and since my userboxes identify me as a lesbian.

I request that you do not direct any further personal attacks against me. -FisherQueen 13:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[3]Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a strict policy against personal attacks. Attack pages and images are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who continue to create or repost such pages and images will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you. --Hu12 03:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[4]Please do not remove others comments from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --Hu12 05:28, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I NEVER ATTACKED YOU

GET A LIFE AND LEAVE ME ALONE FISHERQUEEN, I NEVER ATTACKED YOU!! STOP LEAVING ME MESSAGES BEFORE I REPORT YOU TO THE ADMINISTRATOR- FROM DAY ONE YOU HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT TROUBLE AND MAKING WIKIPEDIA AN UNPLEASANT PLACE TO BE! TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW YOUR WAY AROUND THIS THING THAN NEWCOMERS- YOU ARE NOTHING BUT AN UNPLEASANT WikiPEdian! I ASK YOU TO GET OFF MY TALK PAGE AND STOP LEAVING ME MESSAGES AS OF IMMEDIALTLY! ANY ADMINISTRATOR READING THIS PLEASE TELL FISHERQUEEN TO BUT HER BIG NOSE OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES BUSINESS AND MAKING WIKIPEDIA AN UNPLEASANT PLACE TO BE- LEAVE ME ALONE- THANK YOU! -ideaperson december 27 2006 at 12:41 pm ET —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ideaperson (talk • contribs)

[edit] Please sign your posts correctly

To sign your posts correctly, please use four tildes (that's this ~) rather than writing your name and the date. -FisherQueen 12:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I concur. It makes it a bit easier to reply to you. Lentower 17:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Wan Wan warnings

Just noticed your request on 25 Dec on my talk page. I don't know what to add beyond what I and others have said: You need to provide a verifiable reference, or better yet, several, that show that the term "Wan Wan" is in wide spread use. And provide verifiable references for each of the claims you made. I added [citation needed]s in the most obvious places. Just writing is NOT enough on Wikipedia, you also have to provide citations and references. Follow the WikiLinks to the guidelines on references and citations that I and other have provided. A good example of a well-referenced article is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Notes_and_References] - click on some of the "^"s to see what part of the article each note/reference/citation is supporting. best, Lentower 17:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas friend!

Merry Christmas friend! Thank you for your message, it is nice to know (in a wierd way:) that I wasn't alone.

Jasons4me 20:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)