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    Good link : http://www.eab-berlin.de/berichte/fedtrust1101/berichtglenny221101en.PDF

    Why should Black Gold be considered anti-Zionist? There's no single mention of Israel and Jews. David.Monniaux 14:39, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)


    It' written :

    "The early and unfinished version..."

    It depends which version you consider in the early version the soldiers were British and the terrorists were from the Irgoun it has been reworked later. Many Tintin album were reworked for political correctness : In fact this text wasn't initially written as an article it was a comment on Talk:Tintin because I found simplistic the analysis of the ideological aspects of Tintin. Thus I didn't care to be very precise or NPOV. Someone pasted my comment in an article with minor edits.

    In fact I don't want to write a full article alone on such a subject because my skills in English are somewhat limited.

    I've seen you've edited Tintin in America. It's worth to notice that this album was written in the 1930's and in late editions the race of some characters has changed. The whole album can be analyzed as anti-American. In fact in the first 3 Tintins Hergé examine his dominant political references :

    1 The communism (Tintin au pays des Soviets)

    2 The catholicism and the Belgian colonialism (Tintin au Congo)

    3 The USA (Tintin en Amerique)

    In fact Hergé is only positive about the catholic/colonialist ideology. The ideology of the newspaper were he worked.

    Ericd 17:40, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

    I've found this :

    Hergé aura bien des ennuis à la libération. Son retour au journal Le Soir contrôlé par les allemands ne fut pas apprécié par tout le monde. Sur ces années troubles Hergé a exprimé des regrets dans une interview en 1973 : "Je conviens que moi aussi j'ai cru que l'avenir de l'Occident pouvait dépendre de l'Ordre nouveau. Pour beaucoup, la démocratie s'était montrée décevante, et l'Ordre nouveau apportait un nouvel espoir. Au vu de tout ce qui s'est passé, c'était naturellement une grossière erreur d'avoir pu croire un instant à l'Ordre nouveau."

    I need hep for translation. Ericd 00:43, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)

    I've gone over the article, correcting English errors and balancing some of the statements. The Hergé citations are all from the Numa Sadoul book now cited-- definitely the place to look for anyone interested in Hergé's ideology (or ideologies, since it's clear that he rejected much of the narrow right-wing environment of his youth), since Hergé responds explicitly to charges of racism and sexism.

    Ericd, the above text says this: "Hergé would have many troubles after Liberation. His return to the newspaper Le soir while it was under German control was not appreciated by everyone. On these difficult years Hergé expressed his regrets in an 1973 interview: "I recognize that I myself beleived that the future of the West could depend on the New Order. For many, democracy had proved a disappointment, and the New Order brought new hope. In light of everything which has happened, it is of course a huge error to have believed for an instant in the New Order." Zompist 04:42, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

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    [edit] Sexism

    "Also, in contrast to such arguments against Hergé, there are notable, however rare, examples of realistic and deep female characters at certain junctions within the series." ~ Can anybody provide any examples of this? Admittedly I haven't read all the stories, but I can't think of any, and this seems like quite an assertion to make, given the tone of the rest of this section. Branfish 22:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

    I can only think to is Peggy Alcazar the American wife of Alcazar in the "Picaros" the last album. Ericd 17:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
    The most positive portrayal of a female character I can think of offhand is Chang's mother. It may be relevant though that his other series Jo, Zette, et Jocko has a little girl as a main character. Zompist 18:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
    There is something about the condition of Chinese woman. I don't remember exactly what... but not exactly a character. Ericd 18:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Herge cartoon - Tintin and the Jews.jpg

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    [edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Herge cartoon - Tintin and the Jews.jpg

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    BetacommandBot (talk) 14:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

    In your section of the article entitled "Tintin and the Jews' you write 'The terrorists are Zionists whom even fellow Jews disapproved of'.

    This is typical Zionophobia and the classic 'We are not Anti-Semitic but anti-zionist' lie. You should not use an article on Tintin to vent your prejudices against Israel and Zionism.

    MOST Jews are and always have been Zionist. It is only a few filthy traitors who are not.

    In my book anti-zionism is anti-semitism. This should not be the place to discuss it but you brought the topic up by disgracefully writing "'The terrorists are Zionists whom even fellow Jews disapproved of'

    --Herut (talk) 18:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

    --198.54.202.174 (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Anti semitic????

    Fuck, here we go again! Someone represents a jew as anything but godly and they are up in arms about anti semitism!

    For fucks sakes, there are lots of criminals in the tin tin comics, but do we have accusations of anti americanism, anti french, anti germanism, no! The jews represented in the tin tin comics are just PEOPLE!!! Get over it you jews, by constantly making yourselves out to be the victims your slowly pissing off the rest of the world, what are you gonna do when america stops supplying you with $?


    Also, there WERE jewish terrorists killing brittish during their mandate! Fucking ungrateful fucking circumsized heebs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.180.9 (talk) 11:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


    do these people see any represntation of the followers of the jew religion (they are not a race) less than the pillers of moral desency as anti semetic? sure there are gangsters in tintin, and they are of many types of cultures. do the south americans complain when a fictious nation is set in south america? jesus tap dancing christ, to claim that jews are any less than perfect and anything else is racist is in itself racist. go fuck yourselfs you racist jews —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.244.34 (talk) 11:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)