Talk:Ice hockey at the 1980 Winter Olympics

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I disagree that this should be merged. That would be POV, as the term "Miracle on Ice" refers only to the American victory, not to the entire ice hockey competition. Plus, the Olympic ice hockey articles (should) have a consistent format, listing winners, scores, etc. and a brief summary of any important events. – flamurai (t) 20:16, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

My POV concerning what info should be in this article is introduced in Talk:Miracle on Ice. Cmapm 20:52, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
These articles should not be merged, I agree with Flamurai. Earl Andrew 23:51, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

In my opinion, a good example of information about Winter Olympics Ice Hockey Tournament is: Ice hockey at the 2002 Winter Olympics. A good example of a brief summary of WOIHT is Ice hockey at the 1994 Winter Olympics. Information in this article covers only two teams performance:USSR team and USA team, besides this, it hasn't any results and is an exact subset of information, presented in the Miracle on Ice. That's why I think, that it is the worst example of an article about WOIHT. Let's keep going in this direction. Cmapm 14:46, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Have you seen Ice hockey at the 1988 Winter Olympics? I think it is better than the 2002 article. :-D </shameless plug> Earl Andrew 21:06, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Haven't, better indeed. But it's not the point. The point is that while good examples like Ice hockey at the 1988 Winter Olympics, Ice hockey at the 2002 Winter Olympics and Ice hockey at the 1994 Winter Olympics (the latter is with a good brief summary) exist, articles like this one go in a different (and wrong IMHO) way. Cmapm 10:57, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Medallists

I understand, that Finland played the last game against the gold medallist and because of this some people think that Finland is the silver medallist. But facts are facts. USA got gold, USSR got silver, Sweden got bronze, Finland was fourth.

The point is that the competition system in the medal round was round-robin, not play-offs. USA won 4-3 over USSR, tied 2-2 with Sweden and won 4-2 over Finland. USSR lost 3-4 to USA, won 9-2 over Sweden and won 4-2 over Finland. Sweden tied 3-3 with Finland, lost 2-9 to the USSR and tied 2-2 with the USA. Finland's "perfect" scores you can see above. Final standings:

  1. USA 5pts
  2. USSR 4pts
  3. Sweden 2pts
  4. Finland 1pt

See medallists e.g., at the official website of International Olympic Committee [1] . See also [2], [3] Is it enough??? Cmapm 14:13, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

  • It appears that you're correct. But note the list of medalists in the first paragraph of Miracle on Ice... GeeZee 15:29, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Sorry, first I thought it was your personal mistake, but it turned out, that you were mistaken by that article (I've just corrected it). This article deserves all results and detailed description of the competition system. I have them, but I haven't dates for some matches so far. May be one day... Cmapm 09:45, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
      • No need to be sorry. You're right on what the article needs. If you put in the info you have, I'll see if I can track down the dates and insert them.GeeZee 21:18, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
        • All right, I pasted the results and notes on the competition system. I used Ice hockey at the 1988 Winter Olympics as a template. By the way, the competition system there is nearly the same, the only difference is that into the medal round advance top three (not top tweo) teams from each group. When I collect dates, known to myself I'll add them in the format, used in that article. I suggest you to rely on that format too, when you'll add dates known to you. Cmapm 00:56, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
          • Wow. Nice work. Somewhere at my folks' house, I have a reference book--remember those?--that should have the 1980 Winter Olympics results & dates in it; hopefully I can locate it by this weekend. If not, I'll track it down online using a subscription service, if need be. GeeZee 03:44, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
            • Thanks. No, I haven't seen the reference book. We could glimpse all the required info in the Official Report submitted by the US Organizing Committee to the IOC after the Games, it is supposed to appear on this page [4] by the end of this year. Unfortunately, it is not scanned yet. Cmapm 11:05, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Source for leading scorers

I looked up info about leading scorers in [5]. At least data for top 5 scorers is the same, as in the book, which I have. Pretty surprising scores of three Czechoslovakian players on top, while Czechoslovakia even didn't advance to the medal round! Cmapm 13:31, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Further surprising is that the USSR won 2 games with 16 and 17 goals respectively, and still managed to not have the leading scorer. Wierd.

[edit] Final push?

Official Report from the Organizing Committee appeared on AAFLA website: http://www.aafla.org/5va/reports.htm . Data added/ corrected to comply with the 2nd volume of the report. Cmapm 2 July 2005 13:07 (UTC)