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[edit] Boots used in Vertical Ice climbing

This article (1st paragraph) states that "for serious ice climbing double plastic mountaineering boots (or their older stiff leather equivalent) are usually used".
This was true 10 years ago, but is no longer the case. The boot of choice for modern, high end vertical ice climbing is now a single but insulated, lightweight but quite rigid leather boot.
Recent designs sometimes use flexible and lightweight synthetic materials in place of leather, but not rigid plastic. The double plastic mountaineering boots are no longer used for high level vertical ice climbing because of their heavy weight and lack of ankle flexibility and sensitivity. Exceptions to this include climbing in particularly frigid conditions or as part of extended (multi-day) backcountry expeditions, when the absolute waterproofness of plastic boots is an advantage.
Recent photos of modern ice climbing can be found at [1] 207.108.254.113 00:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Although double plastic boots are still widely used, leather boots should definitely not be considered old. I also wonder about the part that claims that the single rope system is the most widely used rope system. I would guess that half ropes (aka double ropes) are the most widely used system for ice climbing, but it would be good to have a citation proving it either way. Eli6 06:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lists and links

Is the list of clubs and associated commentary really related to this article. Seems like it would be better to have a see also link to Alpine Club only. Kevin 03:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I've also cleaned up the most obvious spam links, but the rest don't really add to the article content. Kevin 03:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. Climbing articles tend to get links to guides, gear makers and sellers, and forums. We should include links to "notable" clubs and ice climbing specialty manufacturers. "Notable" meaning having an article. The Alpine Club isn't the one and only notable climbing club. Clubs should be included because they are a part of the sport. We wouldn't have an article about football and not mention the major clubs or teams. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Given that the clubs section should be a minor part of the article, there are too many to list all the notable (i.e. with article) ones. I'll think about trimming it down, and removing those with an external link only. Kevin 07:23, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I suppose the criteria should be clubs, companies, or individuals who are especially connected to ice climbing. Chouinard and Black Diamond come to mind. I imagine the Mountaineers and the CMC do a lot of ice cimbing, and I'm surprised they don't have articles. Isn't there a prominent Scottish ice climbing club? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)