Talk:Ibadi

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I believe that Ibadhi/Ibadi is a better title for this page.

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[edit] Ibadhi/Ibadi

Ibadhi already redirects here, and the transliteration is confusing. "dh" is often used for the voiced fricative dhaal ذ and is in IPA [ð] , but Ibadi is spelled with an emphatic daad ض which is IPA [dˁ]. Pardon the horrible formatting and rough transliteration that I'm using. I just know that before I learned the Arabic alphabet I saw Ibadi spelled Ibadhi and thought that the end was pronounced like "these" without the /z/ sound. MikeBryan 07:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2nd part of Sunni-Ibadi difference

The notion that MOST sunnis believe that people in Hell will get out is not true. Sunnis believe that those sinner muslims who go into hell will get out after a fixed time. Kuffar on the other hand will not. That part has to change. --Suleyman Habeeb 17:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

As it stands now it says that sunnis believe this, while sunnis believe the opposite. My guess is that the last line refers to shiites, but since I know nothing about this, I will not change it.--Klausok 18:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Read it again more carefully. Slacker 05:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
I read it carefully and I see a complete contradiction:

Whosoever enters the Hellfire, will live therein forever. This is contrary to the Sunni belief that those Muslims who enter the Hellfire will live therein for a fixed amount of time, to purify them of their shortcomings, after which they will enter Paradise. Sunnis also believe that unbelievers will remain in Hell forever.

"Sunni belief", "Sunnis also believe"? I wish someone who knows about the subject would correct this error. Islamic_eschatology#Afterlife and Hell#Islam offer no help. --Ben Best 00:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
It's not a contradiction. The first sentence states the Ibadi belief. The next sentences contrast this with the Sunni belief, which distinguishes between Muslim sinners on the one hand and unbelievers on the other. Muslim sinners will eventually get out of hell, unbelievers will not. No contradiction, though perhaps it could be phrased more clearly. Paul Willocx (talk) 15:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

The quran states clearly that: "whoever has believe of the size of an atom in his heart in Allah, will get out of hell". This is referring to the people who already reside in hell, thuss making it clear that whoever enters hell will get out eventually IF he ever in his life believed in Allah. This is Allah's mercy. As a suni i believe this. This means that whoever who didnt believe in Allah will not get out of hell. And in the hadith of the prophet muhammed there is a man who got out of hell and asked the prophet muhammed why there were so many women in hell. This is also prove that a person can get out of hell after he enters it. On the other hand, i do not agree with ibadi that the quran was created by man. To even say this is blasphemy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.187.200 (talk) 07:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

You misunderstand. The Ibadis, like the Shi'ites, Jahmites and Mu'tazilites, believe that the Qur'an was created, but by Allah, not by man. The question is whether the Qur'an had always existed (with the famous idea of the Qur'an being written on some plate floating in heaven, though that can of course be interpreted allegorically), and was then revealed to Muhammad (the Sunni belief), or whether the Qur'an was created by Allah at a certain point in time and then revealed to him (the Mu'tazilite/Shi'ite/Jahmite/Ibadi belief). The Mu'tazilites argued that only Allah himself could be eternal, and if one claimed the Qur'an was eternal as well, then that was some kind of shirk, as you had two eternal things instead of Allah alone. So you don't have to agree with it, but it's not quite as blasphemic as you thought. Paul Willocx (talk) 15:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Edit

A previous edit changed "the Prophet Muhammad" to "the Muhammad" so I dropped the "the". I also changed the translation of bid'a from "innuendo" to "innovation". Straight out of the Hippocrene Standard Dictionary Arabic-English English-Arabic.

[edit] Demogrpahics

What are the approximate numbers of Ibadi Muslims? The section for Muslim adherents for the "world religions" page needs to be fixed a little, esp. the part for Muslims. And this would help. Le Anh-Huy 04:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there are any official numbers because countries such as Oman dislike publishing census figures that specify sectarian groups. Most estimates put them at 75% of Oman's population, so something like 2 and a half million (that's not counting the small communities in North Africa). -- Slacker 17:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)