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[edit] standing up?

I'm not sure what is meant by the phrase "After standing up Factory Records", I assume it is just a typo of 'starting up' or is it something else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.13.39.98 (talk) 19:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Edited to say "starting up" Grievous Angel 21:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title of the movie

Will people please stop saying the title of the movie is 'Control: The Ian Curtis Movie'. It isn't, and never has been. SAFCjl 18:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uniform

Is it true that Curtis was wearing a Nazi uniform when he hanged himself?

Not at all. Ian was not a Nazi. You can listen to the lyrics of "Decades" and see it was about the horrors of a concentration camp. Heck, just look at the name of the band...has wife even said although Ian was interested in all of the Nazis orginixation (Like any human is, even myself being a communist get entranced by those fools called Nazis) So this rumor that Ian was a Nazi is stupid and un founded on fact.

As much as I love Joy Division's music, this entry is hagiography, not and encyclopedia entry. Firt of all, saying "extraordinary songs" is against wikipedia's NPOV policy, and secondly, Curtis hung himself!!!! I don't get where you think he died from "depressive illness" or "medications".

This desperately needs editing.

Can we do better than "One thing led to another and Curtis got to know a young Bernard Sumner and Peter Hook." One thing led to another? YOu should be forbidden to ever write anything ever. 70.107.223.34 20:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

the medication he was on at the time can make people become depressed. mixing this with the fact he was very ill and that his wife was leaving him made him suicidal. so after a fashion it was his depressive illness and medication that caused him to die. no ones having a point of view about him making extraordinary songs its a well known fact that he did make extraordinary songs even if your a fan or not

I've made it more NPOV, but it still needs expansion, of course. --Camembert

[edit] Jude Law connection

As it's the 25th anniversary of Ian's death, perhaps it would be fitting if someone took it upon themselves to revise this entry. I would vounteer, but I'm only a recent convert to JD, and am really not as qualified as a lot of people.

One thing that I did notice is the reference to the possibility that 30-something Jude Law may play a 23-year old Ian Curtis, something which has been denied by the film makers:

http://www.poptones.co.uk/news/2004/09/06/qod-toddeckert.htm

Not to be a spoil sport, but that article's outdated, compared to the Dec. 2004 source used to write the excerpt on the Curtis biopic. --Madchester 03:22, 2005 Jun 10 (UTC)

Is what the director said about Jude Law refuted in the more up-to-date article?

[edit] Self harm?

Does anyone know if Ian Curtis practiced self harm? This is currently in dispute over at List of self harmers. Mdwh 04:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd say topping yourself is pretty self-harmful. --Hn 07:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes;) But that's not self-harm, else we'd just be adding everyone from List of suicides and making the list useless. Mdwh 22:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Hahahaha. That was such a good answer. Both of you. Tommyhaych 20:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Ian's depression

It is certainly reasonable to speculate that Ian was depressed. He had, as evidenced by his lyrics a fascination with death, suffered a debilitating illness, abused alcohol, engaged in an affair and ultimately hung himself (a particularly self loathsome manner to kill yourself). All this on the eve of his impending rise as an international rock star.

It remains however speculation. It is impossible to diagnose someone with a mental illness such as depression post mortem. I think it also defines him in a narrow way. He was more then just a depressed suicidal rock star. His intelligence, point of view and ability to understand human nature would yield a better result in trying to understand who Ian was.

[edit] Ian Curtis' grave

Can someone post a photo of his grave? It sounds interesting.

I have one, but it was taken by an online friend with whom I've lost contact. Should I just upload it anyhow? Folkor 18:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
You can find one at The Cemetery of Rock - Ian Curtis. --David Edgar 18:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Try this site for photos Ian's Curtis's Macclesfield.
I used to live in Macclesfield. I'll take a picture next time I visit (if I remember to take my camera). Oldelpaso 19:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stroszek reference

This article describes Werner Herzog's movie Stroszek as a film about a troubled artist who commits suicide. Just not the case. Can that be omitted/fixed?. kblument

I just fixed this. - Matt

[edit] Why remove the pictures.

I tought the pictures where valuable to the article. Why have they been removed?

With a biopic around the corner, I think it's a bad time to remove them.

[edit] Picture question

The information listed with Ian's picture mentions that the instrument he used was his voice, yet the picture shown is of him with a guitar in a performance setting. Should this be added to the list of instruments that he used, or is there a reason why only voice is listed? SailorAlphaCentauri 08:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A small change about the article regarding tony wilson

I changed it from '..play shadowplay on his (tony wilson)'s television show' to '..play shadowplay on Granada Reports (a tv show on which he (tony wilson) presented).

It sounded a tad innacurate that it was his television show so I added to the point.

Video of the event

Tommyhaych 20:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

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