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Re عالمی روحانی تحریک انجمن سرفروشانِ اسلام (رجسٹرڈ) پاکستان -- this is the English Wikipedia. Please post here in English only. NawlinWiki 13:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] License tagging for Image:Rags.jpg

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[edit] Welcome

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[edit] Duplicate images uploaded

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[edit] Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi

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Additionally, since this content has been recreated several time, it may be prudent to review Wikipedia:Neutral point of view & Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. — Scientizzle 19:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] His Holiness Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi

Dear Administration,

Please be informed that I am the office bearer of Anjuman Serfaroshan-e-Islam an international spiritual movement founded by His Holiness Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi in 1980 in Pakistan and being an office bearer I am responsible to propagate and preach activities on Internet. His Holiness Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi is an internationally renowned spiritual personality with hundred thousands of followers in Pakistan and across the world. We have several online website to serve this purpose and I am officially authorized from His Holiness Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi.

I take full responsibility of the content placed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gohar_Shahi by me. Therefore, may I request you to kindly restore my article on His Holiness Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi?

Look forward to your positive response.

Regards,

Kindly notice once again that the article on the Wikipedia are taken in the sense of being an encyclopedia. Having someone advertised is neither the mission nor allowed. Kind regards UJMi 05:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Attn: Administrator of En-Wikipedia

I am anxiousely waiting for your response on above.

Regards,

[edit] Attn: Administrator WIKIPEDIA

Dear Administrator,

I am surprised on such rude and biased behavior of English Wikipedia. Why such rude behavior with me? I uploaded an article on His Holiness Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi, a world renowned spiritual personality and I took the full responsibility of the contents in spite of that my article was deleted even I gave an explanation being a responsible person of representative of His Holiness Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi but no response at all!

What is this?

You claim to be world’s largest FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA THAT ANY ONE CAN EDIT but on contrary to this slogan, your policies are totally adverse to your slogan?

I am an authorized representative of His Holiness Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi and want to write an article, so that WIKIPEDIA should have at least a profile of world renowned spiritual personality who enlightened hundred thousands of Muslims and non-Muslims without any discrimination of cast, creed or sect.

I would highly appreciate, if you could kindly allow me to upload an article.

Look forward to an urgent response.

Regards, --سگِ گوھرشاہی 11:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Reply. Please read WP policies and you will understand a little better how WP works. There is no 'Administrator' for you to ask, but many many editors. There are established procedures for undeleting material. Please read the help pages and you will discover how to seek to have material undeleted. Gillyweed 11:01, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright

The last time this article was deleted (by someone else, I never deleted it) it was deleted as a copyright violation of http://www.geocities.com/divinelove4all/goharshahi2.html If you are the owner of that material, the easiest way to prove this is to put a notice on it saying you release it under the GFDL. The article still has problems though. The link you gave me can be used to write about court cases against him, but claims like "Members of all faiths and religions invited His Holiness for lectures" and "He enlightened the hearts of thousands of people with the invocation of God" need to be backed up by sources, preferably sources other than His Holiness himself to avoid conflict of interest. As they stand now, they violate the verifiability and neutral point of view policies. WP:COI is a particular problem, since you said you're an official representative of this person, you probably won't be able to write about the court cases in a neutral manner. Take a look at our article on for example Gautama Buddha to get an idea of the tone an article should be written in.- Mgm|^(talk) 09:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Just write your draft at a user subpage like User:Iamsaa/Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi and let me know when you're done so I can take a look at it. That avoids your work getting deleted and gives me the chance to teach you various Wikipedia policies and guidelines that are important to the article you want to write. Have you tried the Introduction and tutorial yet? - Mgm|^(talk) 11:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Be careful how you address people. I'm male but I've seen people from Asian countries post questions addressed "Dear Sir" a lot on the help desk too. Remember that there are plenty of women answering questions too. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] AfD nomination of Gohar Shahi

I've nominated Gohar Shahi, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Gohar Shahi satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gohar Shahi and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Gohar Shahi during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. — Scientizzle 15:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The main problems with the articles you've created: they're very much not presented from a neutral point-of-view and lack any external sources to verify the content (that is, sources not linked to your organization). These are two Wikipedia policies, and cannot be bypassed. Additionally, you should be able to provide evidence of notability to justify inclusion. Finally, it's important to note that Wikipedia is not an advertising service for any religion.

The way I read the article, there is currently very little that can be salvaged as neutral enough for inclusion...and I haven't yet found any sources from which to build a neutral article. If you've any links to media coverage about Shahi, that might help.

Finally, it's also worth considering that even if a neutral, sourced article were written & kept here, you might not find that desirable: once written here, you no longer own the content and anyone can modify the article. From what I have found, there's a no shortage of information about alleged misdeeds by Shahi and The Mehdi Foundation International. Wikipedia does not exist to correct misrepresentations by the media, but to report that which is already known and presented. That means that this article will be open to be edited by all the so-called enemies of Shahi & MFI with their alleged yellow journalism and negative propaganda usable to paint a picture you may not want... — Scientizzle 15:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The articles for deletion header will not be removed because the discussion is continuing about whether the article is appropriate for Wikipedia or not. — Scientizzle 15:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial use of Image:Image-p11.jpg

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[edit] User:Iamsaa being considered for deletion

Please note that your user page User:Iamsaa is being considered for deletion: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Iamsaa. Note that Wikipedia is not a soapbox to advertise your religious views, and it is not your web space provider. Resurgent insurgent 00:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gohar Shahi

I have drastically stubbified the article in question...I wonder if you might give it a look. Thanks, — Scientizzle 16:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertisement--including religious beliefs--so I am skeptical of attempts to provide a "complete profile" of Shahi. In fact, if the profile is anything like the previous version of the article, I can guarantee that it will only end up looking like my stub version in short order. This is an encyclopedia that seeks neutral coverage of notable subjects, not propaganda (for or against). Inclusion of small, cited (from reliable sources), biographical facts may be appropriate, but any attempt by any editor to turn this article into sycophantic flattery or malicious disparagement will be reverted. Please understand this: the dedication of editors to maintaining a neutral point-of-view may be preventing you from painting the most favorable picture of your Imam, but it will also prevent his apparently numerous enemies from creating a more negative image... — Scientizzle 16:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing Gohar Shahi

While my stubbed version of this article was likely plenty imperfect, at least it only represented Wikipedia policies of Wikipedia:Verifiability & Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Your recent additions have added a lot of information that doesn't. Please don't turn this into a propaganda piece. If you want an article on your religious leader, you're going to have to give up the flowery prose and biased content.

Regarding Shahi's arrest: a source you provided states that "He has been booked on the alleged charges of murdering a woman, Ms Amina Khatoon, who had come to him for spiritual treatment."[1] If you can find another reliable source that explains why the charges were dropped that would be great. If not, I'm going with what's written--he was booked on murder charges. Period. I know that makes him look bad, but I've no interest in sugar coating anything for your or anyone else's comfort.

Can you cite any source regarding the attempts on his life or the bounty on his head? Can you find any information on the current number of his followers? — Scientizzle 15:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Religion of God

To meet the notability guidelines of Wikipedia:Notability (books), this entry must show that this book has:

The book has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the book itself, with at least some of these works serving a general audience. This includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries and reviews. Some of these works should contain sufficient critical commentary to allow the article to grow past a simple plot summary.
- The immediately preceding criterion excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.
The book has won a major literary award.
The book has been made or adapted with attribution into a motion picture that was released into multiple commercial theaters, or was aired on a nationally televised network or cable station in any country.
The book is the subject of instruction at multiple grade schools, high schools, universities or post-graduate programs in any particular country.
The book's author is so historically significant that any of his or her written works may be considered notable, even in the absence of secondary sources. (For example, a person whose life or works is a subject of common classroom study.)

Shahi doesn't meet #5, and I doubt #3 or #4 apply. If you can show that the book has won any awards or received any non-trival press coverage, you should put it in the article. — Scientizzle 20:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

It means that I might not be able to save this article on English Wikipedia.--سگِ گوھرشاہی 05:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] AfD nomination of Wasi

An article that you have been involved in editing, Wasi, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wasi. Thank you. ITAQALLAH 18:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of International Spiritual Movement Anjuman Serfaroshan-e-Islam

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[edit] Note

Please refrain from using your userspace as a substitute for article space. Drafts should be clearly labeled as such, and you must ensure that all material meets BLP guidelines, even if it is in a draft. I have accordingly blanked your userpage and requested a review at WP:ANI. --Haemo (talk) 19:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I am an administrator who responded to that review and I have deleted your userpage and protected it from recreation due to major concerns raised. If you wish to create a userpage that confirms to all our policies, then you must first convince an admin (ask me, or if I'm not around post at WP:ANI) that you will keep everything apropriate this time. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 20:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)