Talk:I'm So Tired

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[edit] Rhyming

I think you are wrong in saying that Lennon changed the pronounciation of "git" to "get" so not to offend the producer. If the original word had been "git" it would not have rhymed with its couplet which is "cigarette". Where is the citation to support the "git" theory?

"Pepperstool 14:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)"

Northern people have been know to say "get" instead of "git" anyway. Surley they wouldn't be so concerned about such a harmelss swear-word. Didn't they use stronger language in their larer songs? I know Lennon certainly did in his solo work, but then that was Phil Spector rather than George Martin. Would Martin have really given a toss?--Crestville 15:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the "cigarette" rhyming with "get" is any reason to believe that the "git" theory is inaccurate, however I do agree that citation is needed. Apparently George Martin was very touchy about the words used in the songs and there has been numerous reports of how they had to slip their cusses in (for example the song "Girl"). Jon Lennon got a lot more daring in his solo work and I'm sure this further fuels the theory that George Martin was against words like "git", however harmless the word seems now."User:Anon 09:05, 04 October 2006 (UTC)"

I think you are wrong. At the time of recording George Martin wasn't as involved with the production of the group and during many sessions for the White Album the Beatles were left on the own to produce themselves with assistance from the likes of Chris Thomas (who at the time was merely an engineer and actually more like a glorified teaboy/messenger). I don't believe Thomas would have had the experience or relationship with the group in order to be able to make comment or judgement of their work, and in particular someone such as Lennon. I shall check to find out who was actually present at this session but if George Martin was not (and I suspect that this is the case as he actually left to go on holiday for several weeks of the recording of the album) then this does not support your argument.

Additionally, two further points which are particularly key. Firstly, George Martin had much less say in what the Beatles were producing at this time which is evident by the fact that the White Album appeared as a double album and had Martin had his own way would have been reduced to a single LP cutting around half of the songs. The Beatles vetoed this in favour of the double LP ignoring Martin's advice. Secondly, if you refer to the Esher Tapes from 1968 which are readily availble as a bootleg (if you look in the right places) you will find the acoustic demo version of this song. In this original version Lennon sings "get" and not "git". Considering Martin would not have heard these songs at this stage and therefore not been able to comment on any lyrical content what are you suggesting? Are you suggesting that Lennon imposed a self censorship? Lennon?? And if so the article is wrong again as it says "Lennon was rebuked by producers for using the word "git" in a recording, and was asked to rewrite this part" which is clearly not the case. No "producers" (which is ambiguous in itself!) had any say in the lyrical content of any of the songs prior to entering the studio and possibly not even then.

I think it is wrong to add speculation to an article with no evidence to support the "information" provided and therefore it should either be removed or made clear that this is speculation. To request citation but never provide one suggests that this is personal opinion and therefore not permitted. I have never heard of or read about this theory anywhere else despite researching the Beatles and their material for over ten years. Perhaps you have an explanation for this.

Pepperstool 08:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Given that that is probably the most water-tight, complete response I've ever seen anyone give on this 'ere 'pedia, I have removed the comment. Pepperstool is right, if you can't back a statement (which would otherwise be perfectly believeable) up with a citation, you shouldn't just leave it there with a "request citation" tag. As such I've removed it. I'll past it here so that, if anyone can come up with a citation, you can just cut and paste it :

John Lennon was rebuked by producers for using the word "git" in a recording, and was asked to rewrite this part. Not wanting to change his lyrics, he just pronounced the word "get" (which itself is not unknown as a mild insult) to get around the censors.

However, I doubt this will be the case as Pepperstool has pretty much proved it's false information. Good work.--Crestville 13:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I stand corrected on one point. I said I would find out who was produer at this session and it was George Martin. I still stand by everything else and point towards the original demo on the Esher Tapes as the most conclusive proof that the lyric was not changed. The Esher Tapes were recorded in May 1968 and the studio recording took place in October 1968.

Pepperstool 07:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the newly added recording detail, this information is taken from The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn in case a citation is required.

Pepperstool 08:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

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