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[edit] Anoxic vs anaerobic vs hypoxia

When defined in reference to a lake or water body these terms appear to have different meanings depending on the discussion. As I understand it Anaerobic means the lack of dissolve oxygen which I equate to hypoxia Anoxic,however carries a different meaning. In a lake you have an aerobic area that is oxidized thru its interface with the atmosphere. Below that you have an anaerobic zone where the dissolved oxygen has been consumed. Below that you have an anoxic zone where the Where no oxygen exists. Nitrate NO3 exists as ammonia NH4. SO4 become H2S. I think there is fundemental difference between these two words. Anoxic doesn't = hypoxia. anaerobic = hypoxia.

Can we have some discussion on this? FOK SD OA 18:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How this page started

The creation of a hypoxia (disambiguation) page started after two suggestions that hypoxia (medical) merge with first hypoxaemia and then with oxygen depletion. David Ruben started a discussion on it. Ex nihil realised that there was a mess of redirects around hypoxia subjects, many of which were rather underdeveloped and subsequently brought them all into this page. The discussion text can be found at Talk:hypoxia (medical) Ex nihil 07:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Refining disambiguation

  • "Hypoxic hypoxia" and "anaemic hypoxia" both originate from a widely accepted classification of the aetiologies of tissue hypoxia, and should be inlcuded in this context in the article on hypoxia (medical). Likewise, hypoxaemia can be explained under hypoxia (medical) and there is nothing special about cerebral hypoxia that makes it conceptually different from cardiac, hepatic, or renal hypoxia.
  • Secondly, oxyen saturation is a measure of hypoxia that is used worldwide in routine medical practice, so it should occupy its own section outwith the "environmental" definitions of hypoxia.

PulmonaryAVM 30 July 2006

[edit] Medical hypoxia is more widely understood meaning

Would it not be better to have hypoxia link directly to the hypoxia (medical) page and have a note at the top to link to the disambiguation page for those users who want it? Myxoma 8/8/06

It probably would work fine whichever way one had it but I think there is a large enough fraternity of users to whom environmental hypoxia is the issue that comes to mind first to warrant humouring them with an even handed navigational route in. Ex nihil 10:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I think the medical definition is more familiar, but I see Ex nihil's point that the environmental definitions are also popular with a subset of users. However, I think this disambiguation page must be streamlined - see below. Fibrosis 0436 8 August 2006 BST

[edit] Streamlining is needed here!

Only three of the articles linked from this page are actually about hypoxia. The others are all interesting but users will find them all by going to the main three links:

  • hypoxia (medical)
  • environmental hypoxia (altitude)
  • environmental hypoxia (water)

I propose deleting all of the other links in order to prevent confusion. A user who searches wikipedia for hypoxia will be satisfied by the content of these links.

Hello Fibrosis. There is a history behind this page. Originally hypoxia (environmental) was called oxygen depletion (I think) and it didn't necessarily stand out from the other ones on the page such as oxygen minimum and anoxic seawater which were really all about environmental hypoxia too and could have been the ones renamed. I thought actually the way forward was to encourage the merger some of these as they overlapped a lot. I'm not going to merge them myself but by putting them all on one disambiguation page it becomes clear how many pages we have competing for, and duplicating in, a similar space and maybe someone would rethink the scope of each and make some go away. I can understand why you you would want to streamline it but if it were done the other 'hypoxia' pages would just descend again into the fog. If you feel strongly about it 'though go ahead. By the way, have you created the membership name Fibrosis? It comes up red because it doesn't exist. If you create it at the logon top right you can sign out with four tildas (~x4) (see below) and it writes up your details and links auomatically like this:- Ex nihil 05:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I have done as you suggest. I've read the discussion on the hypoxia (medical) page and I think we should merge any other hypoxia pages into the three articles I suggest above. Fibrosis 01:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Sounds sensible to me. Suggest you give plenty of warning of proposed mergers or title changes and invite discussion, some people are very attached to what they perceive as 'their' articles. There is a template for proposed mergers in the form {{mergefrom|hypoxia (environmental)}} without the nowikis, which stop it executing. I'm going to disinvolve myself from hypoxia related stuff, looks like there are others can do better. If you have time you might want to do a quick technical crit. on the articles shallow water blackout and deep water blackout, which I believe are correct but which might benefit from a medically informed background. Ex nihil 05:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again. I'll wait to see what other discussion happens on this topic. That should give me enough time to work out how to merge the articles! I'm afraid I don't know much about diving so I can't comment on the two articles you recommend, but they look very informative to me. Fibrosis 01:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Multiple Merger Proposal

See the proposal to make multiple mergers in a bid to simplify this page at Talk:Hypoxia (environmental) Ex nihil 04:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)