Talk:Hypnofetishism

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on November 7, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Neologism? A cult word? Is this material better covered elsewhere? --Wetman 00:10, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Is this better covered elsewhere?

I was thinking that actually. In most of the online community the phrase 'Hypnofetishism' is not used as the main word. Is there any way to rename the topic?

Although the Hypnofetishism is sometimes associated with erotic behivour, the links are slighty baised as it only covers erotic hypnosis. Futher more, the "Hypnosis in media" link has been removed as it is now missing. I will try to find MC fanfiction of a more descent nature, however i suggest other users do the same as it is difficult to filter the adult sites from the normal ones -Dynamo_ace

I would say that the main reason that adult sites are hard to filter from normal here, is that the very word "fetish", relates to specific experiences and objects intended to either initiate or enhance sexual arousal. In fact the clinical definition of 'fetish' implies a psychoerotic pathology defined by the fact that without the object/situation of the fetish being present, no sexual response can be obtained by the 'sufferer'. Therfore would it be better off in Psychopathology, Deviant Behavior, a new section called Hypno-BDSM/Hypno-sex, or Strange Erotic Practices is my question? -Hypnosystemsuk

Well, I am sure that many people who enjoy erotic hypnosis do not have a hypnosis fetish in the DSM-IV sense of the word. Therefore, I don't think it would be a good idea to move the entry to psychopathology. I also think the DSM-IV is moving away from classifying things using the perjorative language of "Deviant Behavior." I suggest calling the entry "erotic hypnosis" and consolidating the hypnofetishim/hypnofetishist listing under that entry, with a mention that some people are fetishists, but some just enjoy it as another variation.

Dana (dana2k_us@yahoo.com)

Precisely. It's inappropriate for wikipedia to insert subtle editorializing, such as categorizing certain sexual practises as normal and others as deviant behavior. It's not our place to judge that. NPOV is crucial when dealing with off-the-beaten-path activities and behaviors. -Kasreyn 17:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Linking to commercial websites

As of yesterday evening a user attempted to edit the article in an attempt, according to his edit summary, to redact links to outside sites as "self-promotion", and not appropriate on Wikipedia. The edit was I think improperly done, and removed nearly half the article, including all external links. I reverted it to the prior version. Nevertheless, this brings up the issue of linking to outside websites. While some sites, like mcstories.com, obviously merit being linked to this article, we ought to have a discussion about whether commercial providers, such as Hypnodommes and so forth, ought to be linked here. I'm opening up this topic on the discussion page to see what the consensus is. Tommythegun 13:22 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd say the notability standard should be, for any subculture, how important a certain site is in that subculture's community, and how much useful information content it has. The problem is, how do you go about ascertaining that? I'd say we'd need input from the subculture in question to even begin.
For starters, I'd definitely agree that the emcsa should be retained. It seems to be the oldest and largest of these sites. As for the others, following links can be done even by someone with no knowledge of the subject, and if the site is an obvious spam or advertisement site, then it can be removed. Kasreyn 19:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


Firstly I'd like to apologise for wiping most of the article. That certainly wasn't my intention. Secondly, I've already written a reply to this once, but Firefox decided to crash on me.
The Wikipedia policy is clear in that nobody should use articles to advertise themselves or anything else. In this case, an edit was made by Isabellavalentine adding 'isabellavalentine.com. It's clear that this was self-promotion and advertising by that person and I have mentioned this on their Talk page. I agree with both of your points, however, that sites such as mcstories should be kept - if only because they're free sites which do not set out to make profit, unlike the aforementioned advertisement edit. Basically, if people are making money from their websites and they're not well-established community resources, then they should be removed. This isn't my own personal feeling, but Wikipedia's own policy. (What Wikipedia is not is a good start.
Thanks for reading.--Dan (Talk)|@ 10:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too much copied text

Large parts of this article are directly copied from Hypnosisinmedia.com, as well as other Wikipedia articles, so currently the entire section History (including Hypnosis on the Silver Screen) is just a scrapbook of text taken from other sources.

No idea what a synopsis of The Manchurian Candidate is doing in an article about hypnofetishism either, the article does seem to go off topic occasionally.

172.129.150.68 01:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Destructive overediting

Editor Lotusduck has repeatedly engaged in mass deletes of significant portions of this article, leaving it pretty well barren. I call it overediting, that materially diminishes the quality of the article and has left it largely barren and empty, describing almost nothing of what it intends. I'm not critiquing the necessity of the original research and unverified claims qualifiers and requirements for articles. In the case of this article, however, we are caught in a destructive Catch-22. Much of the citations usable will be critiqued as advertising or somesuch. Absent cites, edit puritans like Lotusduck come in with their wrecking ball, without adding any better material or improving the article. There needs to be a compromise. Over the next few days, absent any better ideas from anyone else, I'm looking to add back in material that's been lost in successive edits, and working to find reasonable cites and sources. We should have a time frame, for material that is brought back in, over which it can and should be left there and worked on to bring it into compliance before anyone gets all hot and bothered again and engages in more mass-deletes. I'm hoping that we can civilly work through this and constructively improve this article without acrimony. I want to avoid an edit war.

Could you give a good list of what sites and sources would be approved of? I've personally found the Realm of Bliss podcast to be extremely helpful in an informational way on the Erotic Hypnosis front. (12.207.82.157 (talk) 05:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC))