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Contents 1 Riddle? 2 Question - web-application links 3 Fat Links 4 Question 4.1 Uh...what do you mean? 5 This description of IE seems wrong? 6 Currency of the web 7 changed introduction 8 microsoft access hyperlink in memo or text fields 9 microsoft access 10 Ironic Error 11 Links other than embedded links 12 how do i create a link with target = new ? 13 Removed pointer 14 what does href stand for?

[edit] Riddle?

"The ninth word of this sentence is an example of an embedded link."

Change to, "this is an example." Too trivial.

[edit] Question - web-application links

I have been reading upon links but what I was looking for I have not seen yet. A link from web-application X in company A to web-application Y in company B, including handling firewall settings, auto-logon on web-appl Y, take the search parameters from web-appl X and search for this data in web-appl Y. Does anybody have any idea if something like this is already mentioned somewhere?

The closest thing to what you're describing is the concept of a Web service, which could be triggered by a single link, assuming the service is set up properly. But if you mean embedding all those actions into one general-purpose link (without any coordination in advance between the two companies), that's generally not possible. --Coolcaesar 08:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fat Links

Can anyone write something about the concept and implementation of Fat Links?

See http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20050103.html

Unless there is a web browsing markup language tag that contains all the links, the fat link is just a set of random accessed hyperlinks. It's only one link that contains the data for other links. The program is automatically selecting the rest of the links one at a time. I'm not sure that a special note should be made of this technology. The reasons one may need to have a link randomly accessed or automatically selected are infinite. The most significant usage of automatic random accessed links is the web-crawling and cataloging technology used by spiders in search engines and personal agents. The subject of fat links may deserve mention in the tabbed browsing and web browser articles. Oicumayberight 04:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

How do you create a hyperlink in a message board to a file that is saved on your desktop??

[edit] Uh...what do you mean?

What are you talking about?

You can't create a direct functioning hyperlink in an online message board (either Web-based or USENET) to a document saved on your desktop unless your computer is already a Web server and can respond to http requests.

The usual method is to first upload the file to an existing Web server, then make sure the URL to that file works, and then post that URL (pointing to the copy on the Web server) to the message board.

I hope this helps.

--Coolcaesar 05:01, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This description of IE seems wrong?

>> IE gives it from the last slash, or if it ends with a slash, from the last but one.

This isn't the behavior I see on my PC (IE6, windows XP). I see Full URLs.

Is this info really necessary, anyway?

[edit] Currency of the web

This should really read 'currency of google' as it relates A> only to Google, not to the web itself and B> indicates that the web actually might use currency. It, of course, doesn't, even as a theoretical explanation of a search engine's technology... without google, and pagerank, the web still existed and worked.

So really, I'm suggesting that this be removed. Were google less popular, it wouldn't even be considered...

[edit] changed introduction

The introduction had it look like hyperlinks were mechanical. They are not. Anybody can buy a book for under $10 at their local corner bookstore, and can then read, write, and manually follow hyperlinks.

(And if they can't, I could write a small wikibook in under 10 pages, most of which title-page or _{this page intentionally left blank} after which the above sentence will certainly be true. I'd even throw in netcat for good measure.)

Of course, some people have *claimed* that hyperlinks are mechanical in nature. So to NPOV-ise, someone might want to link to parties who have said so.

Kim Bruning 11:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

The associative trails that inspired hyperlinks were clearly mechanical. Please read As We May Think by Vannevar Bush. Douglas Engelbart's writings indicate that they are clearly mechanical (particularly his 1962 report and subsequent reports transmitted to ARPA in 1966, 1968, 1970, and 1974). Ted Nelson's writings, starting with the 1965 paper in which he invented the word hyperlink, also strongly imply that they are mechanical (the whole point of Project Xanadu was to create the physical infrastructure to support them).

Can you cite any source (written by an expert on hypertext in particular) that states unequivocally that the term hyperlink can be generalized to cover all cross-references? --Coolcaesar 01:23, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I have in fact read "As we may think", but it was a while ago. I believe hyperlinks are semantic, as opposed to mechanical. Common sense dictates that hyperlink is a form of cross reference, and in fact they are used manually in this manner; as any person who has ever copied down the URL represented by a hyperlink to paper can attest.

I am of two minds:

*If there is no document that covers this common experience, then that might explain why courts have often ruled that hyperlinks are mecahnical and not covered under free speech. It might then be pertinent to write such a document, though perhaps that falls outside the scope of wikipedia.

*On the other hand, it may be argued that knowlege common to all who are versed in a field of expertise is in fact encyclopedic, and need not be seen as original research.

What do you think?

Kim Bruning 04:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've also read the original WWW proposal on hyperlinks. I think it might be up for interpretation. There is a semantic angle, as well as a mechanical angle to the situation.

In fact, I have been indirectly reminded that it is possible to create hypertext entirely without touching a computer or any machine whatsoever. One could imagine a hypertext system of library cards, where the reader could follow a link by looking up a next card with a relevant identifier.

Kim Bruning 04:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

See Paul Otlet. But he lies outside of the mainstream of hypertext thought because the similarity between his monographic principle and Xanadu was not noticed until Otlet's biographer, W. Boyd Rayward, began publishing papers about it back in the early 1990s. His work almost certainly did not influence Vannevar Bush, and definitely did not influence Douglas Engelbart, Ted Nelson, Tim Berners-Lee, or any of the other great hypertext researchers. --Coolcaesar 18:49, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

*Grin* Cool! It doesn't matter who influenced what. This gentleman basically actually applied the library card example in practice, and this application has been documented. I love working on wikipedia. :-) Kim Bruning 20:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] microsoft access hyperlink in memo or text fields

[edit] microsoft access

memo and text fields putting hyperlinks in them

Your point? You might want to try asking about this at Wikipedia:Reference desk. --Coolcaesar 23:42, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ironic Error

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is the part of this page that says:

Thus, the complex link string is reduced to, [BendGovt]. This contributes to a clean, easy to read text or document.

... in fact, not displaying a link correctly? Jenolen 10:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links other than embedded links

The article says "There are a number of ways to format and present hyperlinks on a web page. An embedded link is one of the more common formats: one or more words of distinctively styled text. The ninth word of this sentence is an example of an embedded link." This confuses the reader. Saying there are "a number of ways" suggests that there is more than one way, but only one way, the embedded link, is listed. If there is more than one way, others should be listed. Nowhere does this article explain what a non-embedded link would be. Anomalocaris 07:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I may be mistaken, but my guess is that an invisible hot area of the screen that is above a label or graphical navigation element would be a link that's not embedded. An example of this would be an interface that allows for swapping skins or labels beneath the coded hot areas without repetitive embedding of code in the various skin elements. Oicumayberight 08:23, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Now the introductory section is even more confusing than before. The paragraph beginning "There are a number of ways to format and present hyperlinks" seems to be giving a list of different ways. If so, they should be listed as a bulleted list. But it's still not clear what is meant by "embedded link" and what would be a non-embedded link. If a graphic image on a web page is stored on another web server, this seems to be termed "inline link." Is it non-embedded by virtue of being stored on a different web server in a different domain? Are <img> tags considered non-embedded regardless of whether the image is stored locally or on some other domain? This whole topic remains quite murky. How about image maps: are they embedded or non-embedded? Anomalocaris 13:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Embedded would mean part of the object I guess. An inline link or an <img> tag could be considered either embedded or non-imbedded. The link is imbedded in the portal. The link is not imbedded in the object that shown in the portal. It technically doesn't matter if it's on the same server or a different server. It may matter for copyright legalities. An image map would be non-embedded. It's what I describe as a hot area. Oicumayberight 22:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] how do i create a link with target = new ?

Can you describe to me how to create a WIKI link to an external site which spawns a new window? I want to link a dictionary prounounciation string to the website that provides the prounounciation key. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mozkill (talk • contribs) 19:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

I think:

<a href=http://foo target=new>foo</a> --207.45.240.31 14:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hint: Do not create such links, just let the user decide wether to open a link in a new window/tab (middle mouse button or shift click etc.) or to open a link in the same window by clicking it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.153.237.86 (talk) 05:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed pointer

The WIMP pointer does not really have anything to do with hyperlinks on its own, so removed --Kim Bruning 14:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Does not really have anything to do with hyperlinks? 99 times out of 100 the pointer is the link to hyperlinks. I don't know what people have against livening up the wikipedia with images. Even if the relevance is weak, having an image is better than no image. It can only help. Perhaps you could replace the image with one you think is more relevant. Oicumayberight 07:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

It can do more harm than good, images can convey false information or convey a false impression. As is the case here.

I can think of quite a few ways to follow a hyperlink without ever seeing a pointer.

• lynx (web browser)
• links (web browser)
• console cut-and-paste
• Read html/xml and type the url yourself
  • (especially handy with wget sometimes)
• touch screen tap on hyperlink (hypothetical?)
• voice command (hypothetical?)
• stylus selection. (hypothetical? Note: Some stylus systems do have pointers)
• scroll wheel select (hypothetical?)
• wired glove select (hypothetical?)
• In firefox: search (/) and hit (enter)
• in vim (text editor): move text cursor on item and hit (ctrl-]) (including non-html hyperlinks, including ctags and vim help)
• automated retrieval, use wget -r , for intance .
• automated retrieval, autofetch new RSS.
• automated retrieval, web spider <- most of the hits on my own webserver are from these
• specialised tools for particular sites? (pywikipediabot, awb)
• look it up in a database instead (like for

  [[wikilinks]]
  

  )

A pointer is part of the WIMP paradigm, and has to do with practically anything you run in such an environment including word-processing, spreadsheets, gis, or flight simulation. It's a bit odd to show a pointer here. :-P (if it was a pointer hovering over a hyperlink: "a common gui representation of a hyperlink" that might be useful, perhaps?)

--Kim Bruning 13:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] what does href stand for?

does href stad for hyper reference?

No, Tim Berners-Lee says it stands for "hypertext reference". See: http://www.w3.org/Provider/ServerWriter.html and http://tomayko.com/weblog/2008/03/09/wtf-is-an-href-anyway Benhoyt (talk) 22:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)