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[edit] Link Spamming on Hyperhidrosis Page
I am writing to document the recurring issues with the "external links" section of the hyperhidrosis page. This is an effort to make clear the type of links that meet Wikipedia's criteria and those that do not.
Per Wikipedia’s spam policy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam, links added to promote a product are not appropriate. Linking to a specific page on a website that might offer hyperhidrosis treatment information is not an exception, regardless of the quality of that information. This must be so, as anyone trying to sell such hyperhidrosis remedies would simply add such a page to their site in the hopes of creating a spam doorway to promote their products. Wikipedia is not a tool to be manipulated for the purpose of promoting products.
Moreover, there have been issues with blog sites being listed as run by non-profit organizations. These blog sites have the distinct appearance of being spam doorways that link to product websites. Simply put, they are sham facades that are built with the single purpose of directing traffic to product sites. This methodology is deceptive and it is a clear violation of Wikipedia policy.
It should also be noted that each and every time a particular product promotion link was added, another “non-profit” blog site was added by the same user. Moreover, there is no clear ownership or authorship attributable to this blog. I have requested verification that this blog is in fact run by a certified Section 501 C non-profit organization. These requests were never answered.
Lastly, the same user who has repeatedly added spam links has also committed two other notable activities:
1. They remove the link to sweathelp.org, the website of the certified Section 501(C) non-profit organization for the hyperhidrosis community, each and every time, never noting an editorial reason
2. They removed talk page comments from me and other users (JakeIHHS on 20:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC) ) asking why the sweathelp.org was removed.
It is clear that this individual does not want a link to sweathelp.org, nor do they want any record of their behavior or other users’ requests for the link to be preserved. This is malicious to those who come to the Wikipedia page in search of help for a truly significant medical condition. I could not fathom someone removing the link to the American Cancer Society page from the Wikipedia cancer article, but this individual seems to think that it is OK to do to the hyperhidrosis community.
I ask that all concerned please be vigilant for inappropriate behavior on the hyperhidrosis page. In particular, please be attentive to the “External Links” area.
Tim Carter Pedrera 02:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Misc
I had the popular surgery for this condition. No regrets. Years later it began creeping back, now I discovered this is a form of allergic reaction. Get checked for food allergies and Celiac disease.
There are a number of treatment available for HH, I suggest putting the links to the various user groups help for HH vhadiant 05:59, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
RoshSok: 01:59, 27 Aug 2005: I feel that though we know much of the info is correct, we should include sources for them. Also, many facts are stated that may or may not be true--such as the incidence of suicide, and chronic pain. Unless there is a source for them, they should not be included.
[edit] Moved from Atropine
Here's some information that I have removed from the Atropine page. It should probably be re-integrated on this page: --Mdwyer 17:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
An article on eMedicine (http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic893.htm) reports:
"Systemic agents used to treat hyperhidrosis include anticholinergic medications. Anticholinergics such as propantheline bromide, glycopyrrolate, oxybutynin, and benztropine are effective because the preglandular neurotransmitter for sweat secretion is acetylcholine (although the sympathetic nervous system innervates the eccrine sweat glands). The use of anticholinergics may be unappealing because their adverse effect profile includes mydriasis, blurry vision, dry mouth and eyes, difficulty with micturition, and constipation."
[edit] Excessive sweating
I just copyedited this article (a lot) to remove its commercial feel, some content from there might want to be merged here. SailorfromNH 00:55, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Source
"....but this hyperactivity may in turn be caused by abnormal brain function." What does this mean? Can this be specified? Source?
The temperature regulation part of the brain, hypothalamus I believe it's called.
[edit] The meaning of "mandated by the article itself" in WP:EL
Please see Wikipedia Talk:External links, where is is clear that the meaning of "mandated by the article itself" does not mean what User:137.132.3.11 wants it to mean: "forums [...] should not be linked to, unless they are the subject of the article". See also WP:NOT. -- Mwanner | Talk 16:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citations needed in treatment section
There are many efficacy claims made in the treatment section of this article that aren't substantiated by verifiable sources. Please add the appropriate citattions or remove the efficacy claims. See WP:V - Wikiwag 13:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Side Effects
I had severe palmar hyperhydrosis. I had to wear gloves, even in the summer. I had ETS done and it worked. My hands are warm and dry now. I experienced no significant side-effects. I think this article goes overboard on the side effects. People who have a severe form of this condition shouldn`t be afraid to do the surgery as it might be the only procedure that works. Maybe I just had a good surgeon.
I had the surgery too, and I do experience side effects. My back and ass sweat a lot more than they used to. Just because you were lucky doesn't mean the article "goes overboard" regarding the very real side effects endured by others.
[edit] What's with all the social emphasis?!
What a sham of an article...it makes it seems as though Hyperhidrosis patients - the correct term (not "sufferers") - are no different from lepers. The condition is very controllable. The primary reason why people "suffer" is because they fail to recognize that they have a medical condition. I accentuated that, and I hope in further revisions that will be done as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.201.230.223 (talk) 19:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
- Why people like you get into semantics for no reason when you could actually contribute in some meaningful way really makes me question your motives. Someone who "suffers" from an ailment does not need to be in pain, or even inconvienced by the illness. All that is implied by "suffering" in this context is that they have the illness. Now, the problem with your term "patients" implies that they are seeking treatment, when they may in fact have the illness and are not seeking any medical treatment at all, so they therefore are not patients. Also, you refer to this condition as "very controllable", are you a doctor? are you basing that off of your professional medical experience? I had no idea you've been studying hyperhidrosis for 30 years and have first hand knowledge that there are ways that stop 100% of the symptoms! You should probably tell someone because there are alot of people out there still suffering with the condition who would love to hear your miracle cures. Diabetes is also very controllable, we should change the diabetes article to explicitly state that no one suffers from diabetes either, they're just "patients of diabetes". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.84.24 (talk • contribs) 05:17, December 6, 2007 (UTC)
"The condition is very controllable": the author of this statement reveals his, or her, ignorance by writing it. My Hyperhidrosis was triggered overnight some nineteen years ago by treatment I was undergoing for a different ailment. It has proved entirely uncontrollable with medication and my case is deemed unsuitable for surgery, or Botox, as it covers too large an area of skin. As a result I have been left with Agoraphobia in addition to Hyperhydrosis. I have an another, life-threatening condition, but it hasn't affected my life nearly as much as my severe sweating. I wouldn't normally write these words, but I cannot bear to see such ill-informed opinions in black and white. (JS) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.84.100.135 (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Need assistance on external links section -- sorry in advance for my newbie-ness.
Hi. I have been trying to add an external link to the hyperhidrosis article. I believe I have read the guidelines on editing and on external links and have understood them. I have operated in good faith and according to the rules by adding the name of and link to the International Hyperhidrosis Society -- a non-profit dedicated to providing information to those that suffer from hyperhidrosis. There are no sales on the site. The site keeps getting removed from the external links. I just tried again, this time without the specific website name. I am not trying to do something against the rules. Yes the link gets removed every time I put it there. Any ideas? Did I miss something? Additionally, there was a message for me regarding a post on a Torah article. I did not make such a posting. Any ideas on that would be appreciated as well. Thank you.JakeIHHS 20:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Jake,
There are many people trying to make a quick buck from the unfortunate people who suffer from this condition. That being the sad state of things, someone (or group) has been constantly removing the link to the International Hyperhidrosis Society and replacing it with a link to “www.megadry.com/excessive-sweating-info.html”. This is obvious spamming of the wikipedia page.
I’ve been asked to look into the constant vandalism of the wikipedia page (an important resource for the entire hyperhidrosis community). I’ll do my best, but if anyone else sees that “www.sweathelp.org” is removed, please add it back. And please remove the link to “www.megadry.com/excessive-sweating-info.html” if the spammers return. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim Carter Pedrera (talk • contribs) 03:24, November 27, 2007
[edit] This article is defaced
Acupuncture is not a medical procedure, period. --76.224.86.43 (talk) 04:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- Sure it is. It's just not a conventional medical practice. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 13:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] In regards to what was recently deleted from Hyperhidrosis
The deletion was made because the data was illogical. Of course one may sweat during heavy exercise, however, hyperhidrosis does not refer to heavy exercise. Hyperhidrosis is diagnosed based on the premise that heavy sweating occurs while one is not in a hot area or exercised. Mike 1:20, 19 February 2008
[edit] My personal research.
This is what I have found to work, then at the end, a meta-idea of what to do in the long run.
First, beer, wine, alcohol... I noticed when I'm drunk, I don't sweat... Even in the most social of situations. A beer or two in the morning, works fairly well. But for day by day, a little unreliable (strong social situations will break it, sometimes (rarely) it's more accentuated).
Second, Marijuana, works well. If you want to be stoned all day. Smoking a little for medicinal effects will work well for the anti-inflammatory, but for the anti-hidrosis, a lot needs to be smoked (keeping in mind the same dose of even aspirin can greatly affect different people differently).
Anti-anxiety medicines, seem to work, however coming off them is horrible and just made my condition even worse. (My keyboard is wet and so is the area where my palms rest below it, before not this wet)
Those special deodorants that are around 20% aluminum zirconium, work, for a short time, then start hurting and irritating so much that I'll deal with the embarrassment versus taking that.
The bottom line, our sympathetic nervous systems NEED TO CHILL OUT. Whatever way one can find to calm it, seems to work. Either that or the parasympathetic nervous system needs to be able to take back control easier.
The best way to do this by yourself, maybe through meditation. Maybe when you start sweating after you're by yourself and start being social, just take a strong deep breath and relax. Basically trying to consciously force the parasympathetic nervous system to be active.
My thought process is that of anxiety causes hidrosis, hidrosis causing more anxiety, etc... Calm the anxiety calm the hidrosis. How to do this, quite possibly influencing the autonomic nervous system, be it psychological, or chemical. Ccregor (talk) 22:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I've found that works as well (calming nervous system part). Chemical influences most probably affects it as well. Maybe physical influence as well. One time, I was calm in my class, and nothing was sweating (palms, feet, face, pits). But then I put on some lotion and maybe it was what was inside the lotion, or the rubbing triggered my sweating again. Or it could be because i was offered lotion and i got subconsciously nervous even though I didn't realize it. So it could also be psychological as well.
If the nervous system is indeed the main thing behind triggering the sweat, getting drunk or high to stop from sweating makes perfect sense. It can also explain how iontophoresis works. Maybe the electricity numbs or parylizes the nerves? Un1234l (talk) 01:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
