Talk:Hyosung Motors & Machinery Inc.

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[edit] Copy of website

I have replaced the body of this article, as it was a cut-and-paste from the company's website; not only a copyvio, but also blatant advertising and POV. (I also did this with Hyosung).

It would be nice if someone could write an original and NPOV article to replace it.

The links and other stuff have not been touched.

Fourohfour 11:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hyosung vs. Hyosung Motors & Machinery Inc.

Is this the same company as Hyosung? I was going to put a merge request on this article, but if they are separate companies, that would be inappropriate.

Fourohfour 11:50, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Separate companies, and I added some text to the article indicating this. Like many of the chaebol, Hyosung was split up recently, and Hyosung M&M was spun off in 2003. AKADriver 16:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red links to models

Understandable, since Hyosung doesn't yet have a huge presence in the Anglophone world, but still a little depressing, don't you think? I'm not sure how best to actually start writing the articles, though - it might make more sense just to group similar bikes into one big article. E.g., there would just be one "Hyosung Comet" or "Hyosung GT-series" article with subsections for each of the six models rather than six articles, since they share so much between models. Where possible I tried to use model numbers, since these seem to be recognized worldwide, whereas many of the names are location-specific. AKADriver 16:29, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dissatisfied Owners and Promotion of Illegal Street Riding sections

I removed these sections for the following reasons.

  • As of yet, no national or international regulatory body has publicly investigated the safety complaints listed in regards to Hyosung motorcycles.
  • No sources were given for the dissatisfied owners other than a link to a single owner's website. Every consumer product will have dissatisfied customers; as of yet, no sources have been given which can verify this as a notable issue with Hyosung in particular.
  • The video used as source material for the "illegal riding" section shows stunts performed on a closed course by a professional rider (granted, this closed course is otherwise a public road, apparently in Korea). These stunts would indeed be illegal when performed on public roads in most countries, however the promotional material including TV commercials for many motorcycles as well as automobiles contains similar stunt work. The video was of too low quality to determine whether the standard "fine print" was included, and it may have been edited from its original form to exclude such disclaimers.

— AKADriver ☎ 20:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

This thing currently sounds like a puff piece for Hyosung. There is no disclaimer that the rider is

on a closed course, and Hyosung has made no efforts to remove the video from YouTube. The link to the video should stay.

I will look for better sources concerning the unreliability. 69.221.162.75
It's still not promotion of illegal street riding just because their commercial has stunts in it, unless you think every car commercial ever made promotes bad driving. The video was made in Korea where laws may be different about displaying legal disclaimers, and regardless it is obvious to this viewer that stunts on public roads are illegal whether you're riding a Hyosung or not. Hyosung also obviously created the video but they did not post it on YouTube and they may be unaware of it.
The article doesn't read as complimentary to me. Criticism and owner complaints are subjective and unencyclopedic, unless that criticism has been a major story in and of itself. These bikes haven't had a Chevy Corvair type fiasco yet. If just listing a few basic facts about the company and its products is a "puff piece", then this article should remain a "puff piece".
The link to the video can stay if it's not billed as "promotion of illegal riding", because this is merely your opinion. — AKADriver ☎ 16:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)