Talk:Hydrolysis
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Article Grading: The following comments were left by the quality and importance raters: (edit · history · refresh · how to use this template) rated top as high school/SAT biology content, fundamental biochemical reaction of many enzymes - tameeria 14:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC) This article needs a section on biology/biochemistry, e.g. enzymatic hydrolysis, ATP hydrolysis = energy within cells etc. - tameeria 18:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC) |
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[edit] hydrolysis of cellulose
I'd like some info about the hydrolysis of cellulose ;)
[edit] use language, not formulas
This article should include historical narration of who first discovered hydrolysis. What were they trying to achieve that day (Was there some secondary issue which was on their agenda that day?) When was hydrogen first isolated as a substance and by who? why was that person embarked on his agenda that day? What does the machinery look like which does hydrolysis today? What are the contours and interactions of it's chambers? In what kinds of organizations and businesses in our country is this machinery found? What is this vision that our leaders have for hydrogen based technology in the future of our society? What are the specific hurdles which need to be mulled? What kinds of changes to our way of life would occur that day?
In general, context for all manner of ideas and subject matter is exceedingly vital.
My mother was an editor of a medical journal when I was growing up, and I was so astonished at all the speculation which desired to pass itself off as science. This is a different issue altogether, but the reason that scientists are able to speak in terms the common man cannot understand, is that they aren't accountable to anybody who can't understand the symbols they're using to describe their ideas.
All these letters and numbers in the formulas are symbolic and representative of other things... And if one is communicating with the general public, it would be wise to communicate with symbols that they understand.
There's a place for mathematics in the hard sciences, just as there is in the field of engineering... In fact, mathematics was designed to be a way to communicate about ratios and methodology... But there also ought to be people who will explain these guild issues in a language and with words which the common ear can comprehend. Communication, by definition, is only achieved if the person who speaks or writes uses symbols which the person who reads can understand.
I remember my college science classes - I see how students learn to mime to each other in these symbols which they don't understand necessarily... they graduate from college without ever really fully grasping the base level ideas behind all the mumbo jumbo.
For instance, a journalist is being irresponsible when he speaks of the events in current day Iraq, or Afghanistan without putting the whole thing into a historical context...
A scientist also needs to be able to put his thoughts into context as he presents his ideas. Historical, cultural, physical, technological applications, future vision, etcetera. Rainbird 21:57, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- These are good points, this article needs a lot of work, including some more general information and some simpler material. The article also lacks breadth. If you look at the history, it began as a very technical & very narrow article. Once we get it to be a full-length article that material will look more reasonable, but at this point it looks poor. Please help us out as you can, and the chemistry WikiProject also has this article as one of its targets for improvement (over the next year or two). Thanks for the suggestions, they will help. Walkerma 17:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ATP
Can someone briefly illustrate the hydrolysis of ATP? It the Lactic Acid article it states that H+ ion release during ATP hydrolysis is primarily responsible for the 'burn' felt during exercise. Can someone confirm this and elaborate?
[edit] diagram wrong
the quote :"For example, aluminium chloride undergoes extensive hydrolysis in water, such that the pH of the solution become quite acidic:" does not tally with the diagram shown which is NOT of Aluminium Chloride
ATP is "Atmospheric pressure, temperature" standard terminology used for explaining chemical reaction at room temperature and 1 atmospheric pressure"
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- Are you sure they are not referring to Adenosine TriPhosphate and its breakdown during metabolism?208.254.130.235 (talk) 13:18, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Too strict definition
The current introduction to the article reads
Hydrolysis is a chemical reaction or process in which a molecule is split into two parts by reacting with a molecule of water, which has the chemical formula H2O. One of the parts gets an OH- from the water molecule and the other part gets an H+ from the water.
This seems to me like a rather strict definition. Can someone confirm if this is right? Maybe add some sources? Is it not hydrolysis if the compound si split into three parts? Does it have to react with only one molecule of water? --Tunheim 08:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- The def. given here (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hydrolysis ) is not that strict.... --Tunheim 08:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nuclear
I notice specific definitions of hydrolysis within organic, inorganic, bio-, and electro- chemistries in this article, but I was wondering if nuclear should be included because I believe many years ago an electrolysis experiment involving either D2O or T2O was perform for “cold fusion”. Since they are an isotope of hydrogen, would this fall into a nuclear category of hydrolysis even if cold fusion doesn’t exist? Is it even hydrolysis? Is it just another form of electrochemistry? Or, am I way off-base? Lawrenceallie (talk) 02:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
