Talk:Hustle (TV series)

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[edit] Rambling

If the group were really that clever/had access to so many resources why not go (semi-)legitimate and make a fortune?

"If the group were really that clever/had access to so many resources why not go (semi-)legitimate and make a fortune?"

It's the thrills. Plus, as the saying goes, "only fools and horses work."

Whoever made a fortune legitimately? Plus most of them actually enjoy grifting.

To paraphrase from The Threepenny Opera - why rob the bank, when you can take over the bank and use it to extract money? (Ref/better translation please?) Jackiespeel 17:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Song?

Does anyone know the name of the piano-driven tune that accompanied the AMC preview trailer? Chances are it has appeared elsewhese, but that is the only use I am certian of.

  • It's Spoon's "The Way We Get By" off of the album "Kill the Moonlight"...

[edit] The Sting

Is it worth mentioning somewhere that the last episode of season one is an explicit homage to The Sting? Daibhid C 19:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Seems interesting enough to me, if you can provide some direct parallels. WLGades 08:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
no
Everyone has realised that Hustle used a few ideas from The Sting in the first episode of Series 1, but that's about it, and they even reference the Sting too. So there's nothing really needed to mention about it. JJMan 12:03, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode titles

Where do the episode titles come from? I've never seen them anywhere else. --Bonalaw 11:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The episode titles can be found on the DVD. WASTREL 15:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title Song?

The title song? anyone have any ideas on how to obtain a copy? I know it's by Simon Rogers, but am having difficulty getting my hands on it. thanks.

The quality's not the toppermost, but you can get it in Real Media and mp3 formats here - scroll down to the Simon Rogers bit. --Bonalaw 17:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I have a better copy of both the opening and ending theme's in mp3 format that can be downloaded in a .zip folder here here --JJMan 10:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] End credit song?

Does anyone know where I can get a copy on the song that is played during the end credits? Thanks.

The quality's not the toppermost, but you can get it in Real Media and mp3 formats here - scroll down to the Simon Rogers bit. --Bonalaw 17:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I have a better copy of both the opening and ending theme's in mp3 format that can be downloaded in a .zip folder here here --JJMan 10:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episodes

The episodes could do with updating. There is information on the bbc website, just needs interpreting and wikifying. I have changed the episode display to that like Life on Mars, as the old version was confusing and muddled.Michaelrccurtis 11:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

couldn't the episodes be made into individual articles like with most TV series? NIKKKIN 18:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Forum Link

Wikipedia policy dictates that forums should in general not be linked to. In addition this site requires registration. Please could the user who continually adds it refrain from doing so. See external links.

Thanks! Michaelrccurtis 17:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adrian Lester "rumor"

I deleted the following (atrocious spelling included): It is being rumoured that Adrian Lester will not be returning for the next series due to his persuit of film roles in America.

While not an unreasonable rumor, it still needs to be sourced. Have there been media reports or an official announcement that he's leaving the show, or is this just netrumor which can be ignored for now? 23skidoo 19:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Sadly this is not a rumour Steve 05:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

How exactly is the main genre comedy? Ben davison 23:54, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

It isn't. michaelCurtis talk+ contributions 11:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Changed it to drama until a better description can be found. michaelCurtis talk+ contributions 11:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I never noticed the genre reference. It is correctly a "comedy-drama" as that's how it's described in TV listings here in Canada, for example. I made the change accordingly. The show is too light-hearted to be "a drama" but contains too many serious moments to be a "comedy". A decade ago we'd be calling it a dramedy but that term seems to have fallen out of vogue. The comedy in Hustle is more overt and up-front than the humor in otherwise dramatic series such as NCIS or Las Vegas which are primarily considered dramas with humorous overtones (this is primarily due to Hustle breaking the fourth wall usually in humorous fashion). But Hustle has been promoted as a comedy-drama so I think that genre works best for the infobox and intro paragraph. 23skidoo 15:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Good idea, comedy alone just seemed the wrong genre...michaelCurtis talk+ contributions 07:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Violence

Is it worth noting the relative lack of violence in the series? Granted, Albert got bloodied in one episode, and there are occasions where faked violence has been used to further a con (as in the pilot episode), but otherwise Stone's team usually accomplish their goals without actually inflicting physical harm on anyone else. I don't know this might change in the 3rd season (we're only getting the first 2 seasons in Canada for now) but it is rather unusual. Thoughts? 23skidoo 18:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It's pointless saying "this tv show is noted for it's lack of violence" as this is a negative rather than a positive. And in the case of Hustle it wouldn't be true, there is alot of violence in the show.

Albert: beaten up by a gangster. Danny: punched (at least twice) by Mickey, shot in the stomach by a gangster. Assualted a pimp in season three and offered to have a gangster beaten up for assulating Albert. Mickey: has been in prison for GBH - also faked his death in the pilot episode. Eddie: was badly bruised after being kicked in the chest by Mickey. Ash: Suffered from a skull fracture in a bar room brawl and uses this to work the flop.

Steve 05:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

point made 86.29.217.247 21:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dvd release

Other TV show articles list North American DVD releases; this article is now conspicuous by the absence of this information. 23skidoo 22:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison to Smith

Has there been anything in the media comparing the new American series "Smith" with Hustle? I've heard tell that it seems to be somewhat similar to the British series, in which case we can indicate in the article that Hustle might have influenced its development. 23skidoo 20:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Is it a remake? Steve 05:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware. The show was cancelled before I had a chance to see it, but it seems to have a similar theme -- a group of thieves working together on capers. However Smith is a far more violent show -- apparently in the first episode they kill innocent people in order to accomplish their goals -- whereas Hustle is virtually violence-free and Mickey's crew avoid doing scams that will cause injury to anyone. However on the surface one could see Hustle's influence both on Smith and the other caper series, Lords of Prosperity. (In fact, I think the latter might be even closer to Hustle because it's apparently a dramedy about a group of people pulling off ambitious heists and that's definitely along the same lines as Hustle) 23skidoo 14:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
A quick Google for the official site provides me with a blurb indicating the programme involved a gang that "plot and execute high-stakes robberies" - in fact very different to Heist; the former about common thieves and the latter conmen. Google surprisingly avails absolute naught for Lords of Prosperity. Anyway, I don't see why wanton comparison to any mere crime show is necessary. Unless we can source direct inspiration or reference it's best to leave out. --84.64.51.100 03:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the reference was to Knights of Prosperity, which really is nothing like Hustle. I agree, comparisons aren't useful in this context. WLGades 03:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British show to the USA before it hits home?

does anybody know why the USA have recieved the 4th season of the show before the UK.. hustle coming from the UK, i would have thought it would have been vice versa.. anybody know? Amstoakes 23:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It's due to the amount of funding AMC have provided. 82.19.8.137 19:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I contacted the BBC as normally the series would have been aired in the UK in march time or just before like the other series, but it was a lot later. So I guess it might have been to do with some american stuff although we deserve it first!

[edit] Mickey's Return

There's a line in the article that reports on Mickey Bricks returning for the end of the series. Is there any citation available for this? I noticed there's a citation needed tag there. I'd love it to happen, though. There's already speculation that he might return in the currently unannounced series five.

There's nothing about it on IMDB, so I guess this must be false. Cactusrob 13:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Let's be honest, though, IMDB isn't the most accurate source on the 'net. And since the line in question has been removed, is there any citation that Mr. Lester will be returning in series five (as per the article? 82.31.15.75 11:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyrighted info

Seems that some information on this page has been copied straight from the AMC website. The text is as follows:

Billy Bond introduces himself as a work of art, a force of nature who can separate a mark from his money quicker than any man alive. A criminal delinquent in his youth, Billy feels a sense of injustice about the world and it's time for him to fight back. He's got the spirit and energy to be a great grifter and now he wants the wisdom that comes with experience.

And it can be found on hustle.amctv.com/the_setup/cast.jsp I'm checking the rest of the page for any copyright infringement. T. Moitie [talk] 14:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seems incorrect

"the first rule of the con "you can't cheat an honest man" as the mark must think they have committed something illegal (and therefore won't go to the police)."

I don't think this is right, the mark's don't always perform illegal acts when they are conned. I belive this rule is more on the "they deserve it" side. RazerM 21:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Which marks don't perform illegal acts? Not challenging, just trying to remember. The one I do remember was the Indian movie, but they didn't con him. WLGades 21:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

That is the first rule of the con, but the following statement is incorrect. They explain it as an honest man doesn't want something for nothing, a dishnest man does want something for nothing and therefore will agree to the terms of the deal offered by the gang NIKKKIN 18:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Series 5 Source

What is the source that the BBC have commisioned Series 5?

[edit] Bob McCracken - Joey Pepper

Should this character be moved up into the "Friends/Contacts" section? On the plus side, Albert does explicitly mention him as a 'friend' and he proves essential in working their con in ep. 4x06. However he has only been seen once. Views? --Christopher 22:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC) Tip was only seen once.Davie4264 19:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

  • In Series 4, Big Daddy Calling, in one scene in the casino, Mickey can be seen in the background.

Ive romoved this until a source can be found, because I cant find one, and having watched the episode several times, cannot find the insident.
Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver And The Vandal Watchman (Talk) 18:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

This article has a lot of potential, but it needs a real clean up before any of that potential can be released. It needs:

  • Proper linking
  • More character description
  • A lot more references
  • Episode plot descriptions, not just promotionally released stuff
  • The current references need cleaning up

I'd be happy to contribute what I can, but it's too lean a task for just 1 person to do. After this weekends Formula 1 race I'll start doing some hard work on this. T. Moitie [talk] 16:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, there's another point too, the article lists far too much nn stuff. Most of that stuff can get deleted or merged into the synopsis of the episodes (like the mark information). T. Moitie [talk] 16:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I've cleaned some stuff up, but there still needs to be more detail in characters and plot summaries. Thebestkiano 19:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion

Would it be possible to expand season One episodes with more detail into individual pages. I would be happy to do this, if there is support for this to take place I shall proceed! T saston 01:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

That's a great idea. If you can add details to any others, please feel free to do so. Thebestkiano 08:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I'll watch episode one first, of course, and compile some notes on a separate episode page based on others on Wikipedia. So ensure no one else starts it at same time! T saston 19:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Changed the Hustle Template, at the bottom, to a green hue found in the title card. I thought it was appreciative than a sharper, brighter green which looks appalling against a hyper-link. Hope that's o.k., but feel free to change it back! T saston 20:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Hustlepicture5.jpg

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[edit] Card Game?

Does anyone know what game do Albert etc. play when they stick cards on their foreheads facing outside? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.163.212.199 (talk) 11:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

There's a game called "Up and down the river" which involves that. It's a trick-winning game. Each player is dealt a certain number of cards and announces how many tricks they're going to win - the total number of tricks called cannot be equal to the number of cards dealt, so the dealer often has to call something they wouldn't have normally called. The odd element of the game is (and this explains the title) the fact that each successive hand has a different number of cards. The firs deal there's only one card per player, the second there's two, then three, four - up to nine. After that it decreases - eight, seven, and back down to one (a total of 17 hands thus making up a game). The finalo twist is the first and last hand. Evey player only has one card, and they are the only player who is not allowed to see that card. So - everyone places their card face up on their forehead. Every player thus has to say whether or not they will win the trick without knowing what card they are holding. Grutness...wha? 22:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Danny joining the gang in ep1s1

The article, as it is now, seems to suggest that Danny Blue manages to convince the others (especially Mickey Bricks) to let him join. In reality, what happened was that Mickey Bricks wanted to lure Danny to join the band, and so he arranged things with the bar tender, so that Danny would be told about Mickey's group and his "last con", to get him interested. The rest was improvsed (you can't plan something like that in detail), but it was always Mickey's intention to get Danny to join the gang. He just pretended to be hostile and dismissive.--Peter Knutsen (talk) 08:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Messed Up

someones messed up the ending of this article, someone needs to fix this as i don't know how to ? T_sastonTALK PAGE —Preceding comment was added at 21:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yeah

Major Agreement - I'm not incredibly experienced, so could someone revert the appropriate changes? Adaircairell (talk) 15:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Strangely enough, the rest of the article is there in the editing section, it just doesn't show up in the main article. Will try and fix it. Adaircairell (talk) 16:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Fixed! I asked helpful User Wizardman for some aid, and s/he came to the rescue. Adaircairell (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)