Talk:Hurricane preparedness for New Orleans

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Contents 1 article cleanup 2 Global warming 3 Article needs MAJOR work and expansion 4 Use of $ links 5 Useful link? 6 Poor Quality

[edit] article cleanup

The article was cleaned up and reorganized a bit. The references were checked and non-existant URLs were deleted. Dr. Cash 21:39, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Again, good job. However, the lead section is too long... I'll try to get around to fix that sooner or later. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 21:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Global warming

At least one user seems to have problems with the following section which I inserted:

"In planning flood defences the effect of global warming seems not to have been taken into account. Estimates after the fact that Katrina was "a one in 500 year event" did not include the possibility of increased frequency of extreme storms due to warming. There is evidence that the geographical distribution of extreme weather events is changing and the severity increasing. Insurance companies are taking these eventualities into account.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency point out to the insurance industry that potential future impacts of global warming such as increased storm activity and severity could prove far more costly than hitherto, quoting recent statistics on number of disasters and insurance pay-outs[1]."

Is there a consensus that this is irrelevant? I don't think it is; ignoring the effect of global warming on frequency of severe events is certainly relevant to Hurricane preparedness. I'm sure that the text can be improved (this is always true), but it's not so bad as to require deleting, rather than improving.

Pol098 17:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

It is not entirely relevant. However the biggest problem I would have with it is that it is too vague and has no sources. "There is evidence" - where? "Insurance companies are taking these eventualities into account" - which ones, and how? "The EPA point out" - when, who said it, in what press release? — jdorje (talk) 22:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I am the one that keeps reverting this addition to Hurricane preparedness for New Orleans because (a) the information that you're adding regarding global warming has nothing to do with the 'hurricane preparedness' for New Orleans. And (b) you cite absolutely no references whatsoever, so you provide no basis or evidence for why you're doing this. Even with references, it still does not go into this article. Dr. Cash 17:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

(a) The relevance of global warming to hurricane preparedness: if global warming increases the incidence and severity of extreme events, then the level of preparedness needs to be higher. "Preparedness" which gets caught out by a "once in 500 year" event has serious defects if these events are actually becoming more frequent. (b) The EPA document I quoted acknowledges that there are more severe events, but without quoting specific research. I'll try to clarify and to document better. How about [1]? Pol098 00:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[3] does have some interesting information in it, but it doesn't even mention anything about increasing preparations for hurricanes due to global warming. You should read the Alternative theories regarding Hurricane Katrina article, as there is already a quite extensive section dealing with global warming there. You might consider adding your material there, but I still don't think it goes in an article dealing with preparedness for New Orleans specifically. Dr. Cash 02:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

A short blurb about how global warming might affect future hurricane preparations for the city is relevant to the article; however, I would think rising sea levels would be more of an issue here than greater frequency of intense hurricanes. In any case, any concrete claims need to be neutral and sourced. — jdorje (talk) 02:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article needs MAJOR work and expansion

While good work has been done on certain points, the general coverage of the actual subject of the article is very poor at present. Some points vitally important to any serious discussion of the subject which so far are largely or completely lacking: 1)The experience of New Orleans with hurricanes before Katrina 2)The infastructre of levees and drainage, and how it was modified due to hurricane experince and anticipation of repeats of similar conditions 3) Pre-Katrina hurricane evacuations 4) Use of the Superdome and other shelters in hurricanes before Katrina. -- Infrogmation 14:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

It's fine if you think the article needs major work and expansion. But please do not add empty section headers. If you're going to add a new section, PUT SOME TEXT IN IT! If you think a new section needs to be added, then please USE THE TALK PAGE to discuss it first. I will continue to revert this if you keep adding sections with blank information there. You also seem to have deleted major parts of the text. Dr. Cash 20:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

After looking at the changes that were made in a bit more details (yes, this required some time because the changes that were made were of very poor quality with lots of spelling mistakes; and the overuse of major section headers almost made my head asplode), it appears that someone was attempting to add some listing of historical hurricanes that have struck the city New Orleans in the past. Putting all of these different time categories into different main section headers is very confusing, and doesn't help the article at all. They should AT LEAST all be grouped as subsections under a common main section. Some of this could be relevant to be included in some way, but I don't think that adding this directly to this article is the best place for it. A listing of historical hurricanes would be best done as a separate article with a link in the 'see also' section. Dr. Cash 01:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

1) The history is comprised of Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Betsy on the most notable category, and other hurricanes outside of that, which I can't remember off the top of my head.

2) A lot of that information should go to Levee failures in Greater New Orleans, 2005 instead of here.

3) That is already on Effect of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans.

4) That is already on Effect of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans as well.

Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

IMO having stub sections on important issues gives a better view of the subject and the current state of our coverage than does the removal of them. -- Infrogmation 22:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Use of $ links

Is it necessary to link every $ on the page to United States Dollar? The links do not provide very much value, since very many people know about the USD and probably won't click through these links. I personally find it to be very distracting to read monetary figures with a blue unit of currency and black number. Does anyone else have any opinions about this? I apologize if wikipedia already has a policy on this and I'm just not aware of it. Cintrom 07:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Useful link?

Is [2] useful or not? Titoxd^(?!?) 23:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Poor Quality

This article contains misquoted links, and as a whole needs further cleanup. It contains unverified political rhetoric...and large sections of unverifiable statements. This is not a "B" class article. I am re-grading this article back to "start" class. — HRS IAM 02:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)