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Very interesting, I was doing research on the real name of satan and wondered where this would lead, satan does after all create storms and he would love a hurricane.

Close, but not it. I think satans real name will end in "el".

Off I go, still searching.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.175.62.177 (talk • contribs) 07:52, September 12, 2003 UTC

Contents 1 Would this be a good external link? 2 "Comparative" section 3 Comparative 4 What dragon is 5 Huracan->Ouragan->Oregon? 6 Verification 7 Huracan or Huracán

[edit] Would this be a good external link?

An excerpt from the Popol Vuh

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/mythology/hurakan.asp

The excerpt from the Popol Vuh is of interest, but as the page is current event oriented, I'm not sure of its long-term relevence. -- Infrogmation 01:38, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Comparative" section

I moved the below section here to talk, as it is strangely worded (and looks like a text dump from a source using strange abreviations) and is not clear. (It was also placed in the middle of the interwiki section.) -- Infrogmation 19:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comparative

Of spectre ultimate god, coalescent is phantom with dragon companion. Meso-Ameri. dragon, Tohil Quetzalcoatl (snake-bird) expected return (exploited for Cortez conquest) basis with Kukulcan (bird-snake) counterpart "grasp" as to Egyptol. 3 mummies (1 Khons Hor) with Phantom (2 Ptah) shapeshifter, Sebek; Gukumatz (the feathered snake) Guatemala, phantom shapeshifter, (plumed serpent theme) Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatl and Hurakan share surname Tohil (hidden god religion) and spectre hidden God (mummy 3 Osiris return Horus) (Huracan) reasonably because Quiché legend about rubbing his sandals together and getting fire, tokenize Lakhmu and Lakhamu, dragon of Sumer. Rough geography Meso-Ameri. is Mexico - Guatemala Pacific ocean coast about 1000 miles Equador - Peru; 150 miles maximum Yucatan - Guatemala width to Pacific. Huracan legend is of climate and continent upheaval ending previous civilization and generating new language. Wuotan 18:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What dragon is

another person working on banning the subject dragon becauset you don't know it; and from New Orleans sadly.Wuotan 20:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huracan->Ouragan->Oregon?

The page List of U.S. state name etymologies speculates that the name of Oregon may derive from the French word ouragan, meaning storm. This is related to the term Orcan, the German Orcan, the Spanish huracán. Should the possiblility be listed on this page? samwaltz 15:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. While I think its role in the etymology of huracán & other European equivalents is reasonably well-accepted (and noted in this article, according at least to the Oregon article that etymology is only one of several suggested for the State, and not it seems the most plausible. So I guess it may be a little too tangential to mention here...?--cjllw | TALK 23:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Verification

Can anyone check this? The page Hurricane (disambiguation) claims "Also derived from Hunraken, the Mayan god of winds." Is this an error in transcription? Or an alternate spelling? samwaltz 20:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Given that this article says the "Mayan" name was really Jun Raqan ("one-legged") (pronounced, I imagine, [xun raqan] in the IPA), "Hunraken" seems like a possible alternate spelling, but this is just a guess on my part. What I'd like to know, really, is which of the dozens of Mayan languages Jun Raqan supposedly comes from, and whether that's an accurate transcription of the name. --Miskwito 23:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

ju(u)n- or hun- is the lexical root for "one" in just about all Mayan languages, with a couple of exceptions (eg Ch'orti': in(te)- and the Poqom languages: jinaj. Proto-Mayan reconstruct is */jun-/. However if the remainder is meant to be "his leg" then that would pretty much restrict it to highland Mayan langs of the Eastern branch, where the lexical root for "leg" is aqan or similar, and the -r- is 3rd pers. possessive prefix. In particular this etymology is most plausible in Classical Quiché, and the deity is mentioned as "huracan" in the Popol Vuh. An alternative explanation I've seen reference to is that it comes from hu[n]- + the numeral classifier -rakan, in which case it would mean something like "one of a kind/group".

At any rate hunraken seems to be a mistaken spelling, I don't see any justification for the "e".

Also just to note that the etymology for "hurricane" has also been proposed as Taino/Arawakan, IIRC.--cjllw | TALK 04:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, okay, thanks for the info!

Yes, I've actually been reading some stuff online about the etymology of "hurricane", and the most common claim given seems to be that it comes from Taino/Arawakan or a Cariban language; however, a few sources seem to say that Taino or Cariban borrowed the diety name from Mayan, and Mark Rosenfelder's list of words in English of Amerindian Origin glosses the Cariban word as "his one leg". So right now the etymology I've got on the List of U.S. state name etymologies (for one of the possible origins of "Oregon") is "derived from the Carib huracan, from the Mayan God Hurakan". But I'm not really happy about it, mainly because I don't know enough to be confident that I'm interpreting this stuff correctly. --Miskwito 20:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huracan or Huracán

We recently had new users attempt a "copy and paste" move of "Huacan" to "Huracán". I reverted the malformed move attempt; see Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page for the proper way to move a page. First, however, discussion. Is Huracán the proper Maya name, or is it the Spanish name? Other thoughts, suggestions? -- Infrogmation 14:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)