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    [edit] Hungry Jack's move

    Hello,

    The user Michaelbeckham recently made a unilateral decision to excise a large section of the Burger King article, delete the redirect from Hungry Jack's to the BK page and place all about HJ information from the BK article on to the former redirect page. This edit was done without consulting any other editors and see if there was consensus about doing this. He also failed to properly note the move and the reasons for the move in the edit log and failed to correct any redirect errors that were created as a result of the move. I have reinstated the text and am asking that Michael please refrain from doing this again without first posting an appropriate discussion on this page about this type of move.

    If you would like to move section to a new article, please take the following steps:

    1. Tag the section with the {{splitsection}} template
    2. Create the discussion on the proper talk page
    3. Wait for consensus

    While understand his reasoning for the move, from personal experience I know that an editor must follow the Wikipedia guidelines when making major changes to the structure of an existing article so that other contributors work can be properly credited, that the changes are done following accepted consensus and why doing something like this improperly can cause issues (like on the BK products section move in April of this year).

    - Jeremy (Jerem43 07:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC))

    Consensus is fine in some cases, but there is enough material to move to its own article. It is notable and a separate entity. I am puzzled why its part of the BK article in the first place seeing as they have separate ownerships. - Mike Beckham 08:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

    All of the international operations have separate ownership, because all international BK restaurants are a licensed franchisees of BKC. (In fact 90% of all BK restaurants are separately owned.) BK has sells the international expansion rights for its name and products to companies who in turn either own and operate or sub-license with in those regions. Another example similar to HJ is in the Middle East where a company called Hama Foods runs all the Burger Kings, except in Israel where BK is run by a company called Rikamor, Ltd. The reason it is listed separately is because Australia is the only place in the world where BK does business under a different name due to trademark issues. Each BK is given some leeway in running the company in regards to advertising and menu, but they are all BKs, even Hungry Jack's.

    -Jeremy (Jerem43 16:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC))

    Hungry Jacks is different enough, has enough content and is notable enough for its own article. Not a section on this. I see no GOOD reason to not move it. Unless you can get a consensus against it, I think it is time for it be moved. - Mike Beckham 03:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

    The consensus must be for the move, not against it. Since you request it, I will put forth a split request. Dems da rules. - Jeremy (Jerem43 04:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC))

    There is no consensus or even any interest either way. Your the only one contesting a move. - Mike Beckham 04:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Split proposal

    It has been proposed that the Hungry Jack's section of this article be moved into its own article by Mike Beckham. Please take this time to comment on the proposal. Please remember that there must be a consensus for the move, not against it. - Jeremy (Jerem43 05:02, 3 October 2007 (UTC))

    • Against - HJ is just BK, but under under a different name due to a trademark issue and some legal issues, each international location is its own company similar to HJ and is no different. -Jeremy (Jerem43 05:02, 3 October 2007 (UTC))
      • Grumble, gripe, bitch, groan - split the damn article. I looked at the size and it is at 49 KB and if I continue the citations, expansions and corrections I am planning, it will just get bigger. Logical place to split it, I will be watching you with googly eyes.  :-P - Jeremy (Jerem43 07:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC))
    • Split, firstly it isn't "just BK". It has entirely different ownership in Australia. Burger King is owned Burger King Holdings Inc. HJ is owned by Hungry Jack's Pty. Ltd. It has nothing to do with franchises. HJ has rights to products and trademarks but is not owned by BK Holdings. Burger King existed in Australia but sold the stores to BK when exiting the country a few years ago. International variants are different to this situation as they owned by BK Holdings, HJ is a separate entity. - Mike Beckham 06:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Split I hate to disagree with you Jeremy because I consider you a Wikipedia friend but you should see this as a compliment to your work. You have shown that Hungry Jack's has it's own separate culture which has fed off from BK but it has gone in a different direction. As with many larger articles it is better to take another notable topic inside of t and let it grow and give a summary for it in the parent article. I would like to hear a lot more about Hungry Jack's eventually and perhaps having the second article would promote that. I honestly do not think that the topic should be expanded on here though, and should have a summary with a direct to a "main article." This is just an attestation to your work Jeremy.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 06:34, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


    [edit] HJ/BK in Australia

    Remove the statement "All Australian outlets are now under the Hungry Jack's name." This may have been the case for a long time, but sadly, Burger King branded outlets have started appearing in recent years. There are several in Melbourne's CBD alone. (Unsigned comment, undated, moved into relevant section - thewinchester 13:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC))

    The naming of franchises in Australia has been mentioned in the article. Does anyone else think it would be worthwhile mentioning details as to what areas were labelled with which name, and when they changed? That is, if we can source the info? -- Chuq 02:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

    Most shops in Australia were Hungry Jacks until recently. How recently? Wouldn't know. I haven't seen any that have changed unless they've been renovated which isn't many in my area, except for new shops. I think some were actually changed back to HJ. Can anyone else confirm this? In my area (Gold Coast, QLD,Australia) they are all HJs. rmccue 06:51, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

    I'm in Melbourne and i'm farely certain all the Burger Kings that suddenly appeared have since been reverted to Hungary Jack's. I remember hearing somewhere that they'd baught them out, also the adds for Burger King have completely dissapeared.

    Most burger kings in Australia were bought by hungry jacks about 2 years ago. The burger kings only lasted about 2 years. In sydney all of them are hungry jacks now....

    Have significantly rewritten this section of the article adding approrpiate legal case citations and other relevant material. Will continue to watch and improve this section. thewinchester 13:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

    Not all Burger Kings are Hungry Jacks in Sydney, actually. I have seen at least one, located in South-East Sydney, near Sylvania/ Miranda. 143.238.255.95 11:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Hungry Jack's separate chain?

    From [1]:

    Hungry Jack's (former Burger King franchisee, but now a separate chain)

    If this is true then there should be two separate articles. It may also explain why Burger King labeled stores have popped up in Melbourne CBD as noted by another commenter above.--ZayZayEM 06:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

    It is not a separate chain at this time, it is still listed as a franchisee as of 29 September 2007 by BKC - Jeremy (Jerem43 16:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC))

    I've looked into it and that entry is factually incorrect, I will change it. - Jeremy (Jerem43 06:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC))

    [edit] Products

    We have a BK Products page, I can create one for the HJ products as I work there, if required? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Scoreed/in_Progress/Hungry_Jacks_Products

    Scoreed (talk) 09:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

    Please do not as they are the same chain. The products do not vary enough to warrant a separate page. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 16:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)