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[edit] Official status of Hungarian language

What the heck the following phrase could mean?

"Political agreements have brought the gradual implementation of major advances in the official status of the Hungarian language in all localities where it is spoken by more than 20% of the population."

So dense a politispeak is inacceptable in encyclopedia. Tell it straight: does Hung lang have any officially recognized staus or not? If yes, then to what extent? If no, then what are these "major advances" exactly?

Basically, in places with more than 20% Hungarians, Hungarian language is official at the local level, so the interaction between the people and the local authorities can be done in either Romanian and Hungarian. However, the interaction between the same people and the central authorities is always in Romanian. (If I'm wrong, please correct me)
There was also some dispute on whether, when marrying, the couples were allowed to say "igen" instead of "da", but I'm not sure which were the results. bogdan 23:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Bogdan is correct. Hungarian has officially-recognised status in all "territorial-administrative units" (i.e. localities) where Hungarians make up more than 20% of the population (this applies not only to Hungarians but all other ethnic groups). In these localities, the local government is obliged to offer services in Hungarian, including access to the public administration, education, justice system and bilingual signage. At national level, however, Romanian is the only official language, which means that any correspondence with the national government must be in Romanian (there is still some grey area in this). I wouldn't really call this official recognition at local level a "major advance", but it certainly has offered a comprehensive legal basis for the use of minority languages in Romania. Before the introduction of this law, minority languages were still used in education and public administration, but there was no official, unified law regarding their use. In a Wikipedia context, this means that for localities where a minority makes up more than 20% of the population, that language must be placed in the infobox alongside the Romanian name, and it must definitely be mentioned in the lead. I don't understand why there is opposition to this. Ronline ✉ 01:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Guys, I assumed you are wikipedians of professional level. I did not ask the question out of idle curiosity to make a small talk. Please update the article. This is a very serious issue. `'mikka (t) 03:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


the following i copy-pasted from talkpage of Oradea . bref, an ethnic minority citizen can employ his language in his relation with the administration in the localities where his minority forms 20% of the population, and besides the documents in ROmanian language he will receive a translation in his language. The documents preserved by the administration in that locality are written only in Romanian language. Hungarian language is not an official language in ROmania. Criztu 14:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Take a look on this: http://www.cjbn.ro/legislatie/lege%20%20nr215%20pe%202001.doc. --fz22 15:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
perfect link thnx :

"ART. 90 (2) În unităţile administrativ-teritoriale în care cetăţenii aparţinând unei minorităţi naţionale au o pondere de peste 20% din numărul locuitorilor, în raporturile lor cu autorităţile administraţiei publice locale şi cu aparatul propriu de specialitate aceştia se pot adresa, oral sau în scris, şi în limba lor maternă şi vor primi răspunsul atât în limba română, cât şi în limba maternă.(in administrative-teritorial units where citizens belonging to an national minority form over 20% of the population, in their raports(relations) with public local administration authorities and their specialised apparatuses, are enabled to express, solicitate oraly or in writing in their maternal language also, and are enabled to a respons in both romanian and their language.)

(4) Autorităţile administraţiei publice locale vor asigura inscripţionarea denumirii localităţilor şi a instituţiilor publice de sub autoritatea lor, precum şi afişarea anunţurilor de interes public şi în limba maternă a cetăţenilor aparţinând minorităţii respective, în condiţiile prevăzute la alin. (2). (local public administration authorities will provide inscriptions for the names of localities and public institutions under their authority, and display public interests announcements in the native language of the citizens of the respective ethnic minority in conditions stated at point (2))

(5) Actele oficiale se întocmesc în mod obligatoriu în limba română (official documents are made in romanian language , mandatory requirement) Criztu 16:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atrocities

A note regarding atrocities: I think the article should address atrocities committed against Hungarians in the Southern Transylvanian territory remaining in Romania and the fact that in most cases in Northern Transylvania, the incoming Hungarian troops were attacked first by guerillas. The Hungarian government in Northern Transylvania had an official policy of appeasing minorities just as it was attested by Horthy's speech upon entry to Kolozsvár. An important reference to this period is the documentary novel by Albert Wass: Jönnek (They are coming).Árpád 06:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

...documentary novel by Albert Wass...:)))

Yes, he wrote a novel which reads like a documentary, detailing for example that the retreating Romanian troops were trying to vandalize and steal everything, even the nails from the walls. Another novel of his describing the same period is "Give me back my mountains" which exists in English translation, as well. Árpád 03:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I have never read Albert Wass, I have only heard that he was a biased writer. It does not neccessary mean that, he wrote simply untruth. I am sure there are documents about nasty happenings on the other side as well. Such a conflict between two nations surely cause atrocities in both side.
People who have suffered are inherently biased, however it is not true that he was anti-Romanians (many of his novels have Romanian heros, like the "Funtineli boszorkány", the "Witch at Funtinel".
Yes, AFAIK, during WWII, there were atrocities on both sides: the Hungarian Army killing Romanian civilians (Treznea massacre and Ip massacre) and a Romanian guerilla group killing Hungarian civilians. (Sumanele Negre, we really need an article about this) bogdan 18:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
However, it would be important to point out that in the Ip and Treznea (Szilágyipp and Ördögkút) case, the Hungarian regular army troops were attacked by Iron Guardists first. Before the territorial exchange, the Romanian party pledged to collect all weapons from the population in order to prevent any irregular armed action. Looks like they have overlooked this particular area.
How many casualties did the hungarian army suffered at the hands of this romanian attackers ? At any rate taking it onto the defenseless civilian population makes this a massacre nevertheless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.233.19.63 (talk) 22:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The challenge here, is how to write a neutral article! Therefore mutual actknowledgement of atrocities would be just enough. I would fear to go into details, it would just provoke sentiments. kuko 08:54, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links

These links are are not only biased (I wouldn't mind that), but also factually inaccurate.

The first one appears to be about Ceauşescu's rule, but it appears to be rather sensationalist. "OMG! GENOCIDE!"-style. If Ceauşescu's rule was a genocide for the Hungarian people, then it was a genocide against the Romanian people, too.

The second book has some good history parts, but again is overreacting over the "atrocities" (it has a chapter on the "Romanian atrocities" after 1989). bogdan 22:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you about these links, they shouldn't be in the artcle. Maartenvdbent 14:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minority day

I am interested in minority days, for example:

What are the celebrated days of other minorities, Hungarian minority, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Turkish and etc? Why and how these days are celebrated? --82.207.121.0 10:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The minority situation after 1990

The part of the minority situation after 1990 is extremely biased. I added a segment at the end of the section in order to balance out the objectivity of the article. Some of the main points like the fact that Romania adhered to all minority laws required by the European Union were not present before.In fact one of the requirements for the Romanian accession to EU was the protection of minorities' rights. Moreover, Romania was cited as an example twice by the Clinton administration as an example of what a country can do in order to protect minorities.

ej 14:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, could someone else please review the recent changes to the paragraph beginning "Even though Romania adhered...", and the next paragraph, and see whether these are advisable? Biruitorul Talk 23:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)