Talk:Hungarian Rhapsodies

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1 Untitled (plural in Hungarian)
2 Cartoon reference
3 #2 and #12 (aka "#2")
4 Worth mentioning?
5 References introduced

[edit] Untitled (plural in Hungarian)

Re the recent change of "verbunkos" to "verbunko": isn't "verbunkos" singluar? --Camembert

See my article, verbunko. Mikkalai 21:14, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The thing is, Google returns just 11 hits for "verbunko" and 1110 for "verbunkos", and both the Penguin and Grove Concise dictionaries of music call it the "verbunkos" rather than the "verbunko". So unless you have a similarly authoritative source to show that "verbunko" really is correct, I'm going to change it back (and move that article). --Camembert

It seems you are right, sorry. I relied only on a couple sources. I'll replace this word everywhere I used it. Sorry. Mikkalai 23:00, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

It's no problem - everyone makes the odd mistake (I speak from experience). Thanks for starting the verbunkos article :) --Camembert

On the third thought, according to my limited knowledge of magyarnyelv, the suffix os/es/ó in Hungarian loosely corresponds to the English suffix or/er. For example, dance->dancer = tanc->tancos, song->singer = enek->enekes, etc. So, "verbunkos" would be "the recruiter". In modern Hungarian it is "verbuvaló". One might guess that in times past the form "verbunkó" was quite valid. Did anyone happen to read some XVIII Hungarian texts lately? :-)

BTW, right now it comes to my mind that "csárda" is a derogatory name for the German soldier and also for a beer-house/pub/tavern; hence "csardas" is a dance of drinking German soldiers!:-) Shall I put this info into the Csardas article? Mikkalai 02:52, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

18th century Hungarian definitely isn't my area of expertise :-) However, I did have a look at the verbunkos article in the full Grove today, and it doesn't mention it ever being known as "verbunko" (I wouldn't take that as absolutely conclusive, but it's probably as good as we're going to get for now).

As for the csardas stuff, if you're sure it's correct, I'd say add that to the article by all means. --Camembert

[edit] Cartoon reference

The way it's phrased now makes it sound like Rhapsody Rabbit is similar to Who Framed Roger Rabbit, when in fact it's similar to The Cat Concerto. This needs to be reworded, though right now I can't think of a good way to do it.--AviDrissman 18:19, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've expanded the animation history of Rhapsody #2, which should clarify the situation. Bjimba 20:49, 2005 Feb 21 (UTC)

[edit] #2 and #12 (aka "#2")

Information at allmusic.com is leading me to believe that both C#m Rhapsodies have been called "#2". I know there is sometimes confusing when you buy a CD as to which C#m Rhapsody you'll get. Could a clarifying point be added to explain this?

The main clarifying point is whether it is piano or orchestral. allmusic.com "When Liszt fashioned orchestral versions of six of the 19 Hungarian Rhapsodies for piano, he reordered them, thereby unintentionally creating some confusion that remains even today. As indicated in the headnote, this Rhapsody No. 2 for orchestra is a transcription of No. 12. But a note of caution must be given here: there have been several popular recordings that have revised Liszt's renumbering, returning the famous Rhapsody No. 2 (for piano) to its second position in the orchestral version." Jnavarra 20:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure the external link to the free mp3 site of Sean Bennett should be included as it is a version of a version of the original piece.

[edit] Worth mentioning?

These pieces heavily influences Brahms' Hungarian dances and Dvorjak's Slavic dances. I find the resemblence so close it might be worth mentioning. Anyone else? MotherFunctor 02:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Just found this, (it's circumstantial, though). http://cd.ciao.co.uk/Dvor_aacute_k_Slavonic_Dances_Brahms_Hungarian_Dances_Liszt_Hungarian_Rhapsodies__6073937 MotherFunctor 02:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)