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Contents 1 Ghandi 2 Humility as a Skill 3 Humility Toward Neighbor 4 Humility in Religion 5 Need for Revision 6 Remove Joke 7 Humble Pie 8 Comments

[edit] Ghandi

Note that Ghandi was not a Christian in the orthodox sense, and that he was not speaking in the context of Christianity. I will try to pick this apart at a later date, as on the other hand some of his views do come from Christianity. Mr. Jones 10:29, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Gandhi was not a Christian in any sense. He explicitly rejected faith in Christ.--LCP 19:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Gandhi didn't eschew Christianity; he believed the teachings of Jesus to be wise and held them in high regard. He did however; have somewhat of a problem with Christians.

Good point. I revised my original statement (above).--LCP 15:42, 18 April 200l (UTC)

[edit] Humility as a Skill

I don't know that "skills" is exactly the right word for the list of the aspects of humility here. --Christofurio 16:13, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

"Skills" would fit nicely in a pop-psychology book on humility, not a scholarly article.--LCP 19:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Humility Toward Neighbor

The previous definition under Christianity completely failed to address humility toward neighbor, which is fundamental to the Christian understanding of humility. Furthermore, #3 was in no way part of the virtue of humility. Rather, it falls under the virtue of justice. Along these lines, made extensive edits and refinements. --LCP 19:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Humility in Religion

Removed section, "Humility in religion, spirituality, and philosophy" as it was inaccurate and too general to be of use.--LCP 19:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need for Revision

This topic requires extensive scholarly revision and input. Muslim, Confucian, Buddhist perspectives would also be most welcome.--LCP 19:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Necessary scholarly revision still has not occured, nor have other theological perspectives come to light.--December 12, 2006

[edit] Remove Joke

The extensive scripture quote and the “joke” should be abridged or completely removed. Neither have a legitimate place in an encyclopedia entry.--LCP 19:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Humble Pie

I cannot see the connection between the term 'Eating humble pie' (meaning being made to be embarrased by humiliation) and feeling of humility (meaning not thinking your of great worth).

Being embarresed does not to me indicate a sense of worthlessness, just feeling stupid.

Humilty has nothing to do with feeling worthless. That would be false humility. I think the phrase, "eating humble pie," indicates a willingness to admit fault and apologize. That requires true humilty.LCP 00:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

This article has a great potential for improvement from future editors. I suggested the "Criticism" section a month foreseeing POV bias comments. I need some help to think about where to get sources for such a section. I imagine perhaps models from the business literature might be useful to add here. LaSaltarella 03:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe comparing and contrasting humility with shame and embarrassment would be helpful. Also, there is nothing in the article to back up the assertion that humility and humiliation are "completely different." Is that to say that one cannot achieve humility by being humiliated? The act of humiliating someone is a different thing altogether from the feeling of being humiliated, and there is no explanation or differentiation of these two things in the article.

Excellent point about the potential for humiliation to lead to humility.LCP 21:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

From the Catholic Encyclopedia entry: "As restricted to persons, humility is understood also in the sense of afflictions or miseries, which may be inflicted by external agents, as when a man humiliates another by causing him pain or suffering. It is in this sense that others may bring about humiliations and subject us to them."--Geremia (talk) 21:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)