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[edit] Merge from Allegations of state terrorism in Sri Lanka

According to the NPOV policy,

A neutral article title is very important because it ensures that the article topic is placed in the proper context. ... Neutral titles encourage multiple viewpoints and responsible article writing.

Thus, I propose that the article Allegations of state terrorism in Sri Lanka be selectively merged into the "Abuses by the government" section of this article. State terrorism (and allegations thereof) is a subset of human rights. I think changing the location of the content will provide an appropriate context for the allegations and hopefully ameliorate some of the disputes on that page. — Black Falcon (Talk) 19:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I want to know whether List of terrorist attacks attributed to the LTTE should also me selectively merged into this article ? Because selectively merging only State terror and leaving out Terror by a non state actor is in itself not neutral ? Just a question. Thanks Taprobanus 21:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it's quite the same. The list of LTTE attacks is merely a list of events. The "Allegations of state terrorism" article, on the other hand, is an article about one specific point of view. If kept, I think it should be renamed to State terrorism in Sri Lanka. Having an article about the general concept, instead of one specific POV, would allow the views of the GOSL and others to be presented, thus ensuring a more balanced article. I have started a new thread on this at the article's talk page. — Black Falcon (Talk) 18:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I support the merge. The Allegations of state terrorism in Sri Lanka article is merely a bunch of quotations by various people where they use the word "state terrorism" to describe incidents covered in detail elsewhere in Wikipedia, and which should be mentioned here. That makes it a blatent POV fork, and a totally unencyclopedic article.
What does the List of terrorist attacks attributed to the LTTE article have to do with this one? The list of terrorist attacks article documents hundreds of incidents, while the Allegations of State Terror article is merely a bunch of quotations. In any case it was already AFDed, and the unanimous verdict of neutral, uninvolved editors was to keep it.
Also note there were four opinions to merge the article with Sri Lankan Civil War, and none against. --snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 16:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually, both Taprobanus and Watchdogb opposed it. By the way, I too oppose a merge into Sri Lankan Civil War for a number of reasons including that this is a better merge target and that SLCW is already long. — Black Falcon (Talk) 18:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
The point isn't which article they wanted to merge it to, but that they (neutral editors included) agreed that the Allegations of state terrorism in Sri Lanka article doesn't belong on Wikipedia. --snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 20:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I oppose the merge if the Terrorist attacks attributed to the LTTE article is not to be merged into this one. I do support the merge if both of the article were to be merged. Snowolf, State terrorism in Sri Lanka was also asked for AFD 3 times and it survived through all even throught a lot of Sock voting and such. Folcon, your idea is a really good one but I feel that there are some flaws in your though of merge. For example this article used to be State terrorism in Sri lanka but a user moved without ANY concensus. So it was indeed a legit state terrorism article. However, since I and other did not want to get into a move war we decided to leave it as it is. It is really funny to see that some users cry POV fork on the state terrorism article and then completly turn around and defend Terrorist attacks attributed to the LTTE. Watchdogb 20:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. One of the reasons I proposed the merge is that Allegations of state terrorism in Sri Lanka article does not currently contain enough content to warrant a separate entry. At present, it is essentially a list of whose has accused the GOSL of state terrorism. — Black Falcon (Talk) 22:19, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Yes, it is a list of who has accused the State of state terrorism but at the same time so is Terrorist attacks attributed to the LTTE. Ther are legit information on Terrorist attacks attributed to the LTTE and Allegations of state terrorism in Sri Lanka article. So merging one list and leaving anoter out seem a little unfair. Watchdogb 23:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
      • I'll need to think about this before I comment any further. There is one difference though between the two pages: the "list of attacks" page lists actual events that people have attributed to the LTTE; the "allegations" page lists people who have made allegations, but does not list actual events. It's a difference, although at the moment I'm not sure if it's a significant difference. As I said, I'll have to think about this a little. — Black Falcon (Talk) 22:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I strongly Oppose merging State Terrorism with Human Rights, it would be in all essence, poisoning a good well. Relative to the other Sri Lanka Conflict related articles, Human Rights in Sri Lanka has maintained a sense of NPOV because of it's neutral foundations and titles, that is why most reframe from editing here. The term 'State Terror' is a product of contemporary jigoism to draw comparisons to Stalin's reign of terror or Hilter's pogroms against the Jews, whether the comparison is entitled is questionable and disputed. Thar brings us to the key problem, State Terror is a disputed point, just like Terror, therefore merging the two articles will open a pandora's box of problems to this article rather than close the one opened when someone decided upon creating the aforementioned article. --Sharz 23:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I am terribly busy nowadays bit let me reiterate why I am opposed to the merger. Terrorism and Human Rights violations are not the same. Terrorism implies a willful pre planned event to attack unarmed civilians with the sole expected outcome of terrifying them into submission. Human Rights violations are lot less severe, they can also imply not clear understanding of international judicial requirements of what basic human rights is and adherence to it. It can also imply a gap between what a legislation in a country is and its application. Human Rights violatiosn are not equal to Terrorism. One of the way out of this situation is to create an article on Terrorism in Sri Lanka and merge both the Terrorism attributed to the LTTE and State terrorism attributed to the State in to it just like Terrorism in India article. Taprobanus 17:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose the merger Sri Lanka has no rule of law and none of the killing attributed to the LTTE ,paramilitary or SL state have been tried in a court of law all killing are extrajudical hence there is no need to merge .A clear example of this Karuna who was LTTE head of the East and he is responsible for the most of the killing in the East of the 1990's .But now he operates in the government territory in the East.Sri Lankan has made no attempt to disarm,arrest or offer an amnesty clearly showing rule of law does not exist.The state is a party to these killing Harlowraman 01:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I support this move. There need not be two different topics with the same content.Navod Ediriweera (talk) 04:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Past Events of Human right violations in Sri Lanka

Does there need to be a time line of human rights? Taprobanus has removed recent violations of Human rights by the LTTE. Why is that? Does they not represent the HR situation in Sri Lanka? Reverted with 1990s 2000 with the current LTTE atrocities..--Navod Ediriweera (talk) 04:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Taprobanus has removed recent violations of Human rights by the LTTE. If I had done that, my mistake but the past events stay. Thanks Taprobanus (talk) 13:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Include in Sri Lanka dispute resolution agreement?

It has been proposed here that this article should be included in the Sri Lanka Dispute Resolution Agreement. Are there any objections? — Sebastian 07:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

No objections; so I will add the blue box. — Sebastian 22:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)