Talk:Hugh Despenser the younger

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Hugh appears on the list of Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual people, and the link to that list appears at the bottom of the article, but no mention is made of his being Gay or Bisexual in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zekedunn (talk • contribs)

• How about the bit where he supposedly sodomised the King? Apart from that, this is my new fave article on TOW. Somebody recently reverted me for not being able to sauce a minor edit to 4chan. HAHAHA! This article's a Truthiness classic.

--Piepie 06:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English Voodoo?

The article claims that "There was even a bizarre plot to kill Hugh by sticking pins in a wax likeness of him". Sounds a lot like voodoo, an African tradition clearly out of place in England of the 14th century.

Top.Squark (talk) 19:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you'll find pin-sticking magic goes way back before, and further afield, than voodoo. It needs refing though. Johnbod (talk) 00:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] title

What an odd title. Shouldn't it be Hugh Despenser the Younger? john k (talk) 05:54, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Well his name was Hugh le Despenser, not Hugh Despenser. In historically literature he is often called "the younger Despenser". Why? Because historians are an idiosyncratic bunch. Dsmdgold (talk) 16:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Then Hugh le Despenser the Younger. That he is called "the younger Despenser" in running text does not mean he is ever called "Hugh the younger Despenser," which is very strange. One might call John Quincy Adams "the younger Adams" in certain contexts, but that doesn't mean our article on him should be called John the younger Adams. Furthermore, "Despenser the Younger" gets nearly as many google hits as "younger Despenser", and none of the latter include his given name, while many of the former do. john k (talk) 16:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Google Scholar gives 40 hits for "Hugh le Despenser the Younger" and none for "Hugh the younger Despenser". Google Books shows 386 to seven. I think a change of title may be justified. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 17:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)