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[edit] Lackings of the Article

The article lacks mention of the GE controversy surrounding dredging... A pretty significant issue. Also, it lacks mention of strategic value of the river concerning the Revolutionary War/French Indian war. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.82.9.55 (talk • contribs) .

Then add it! Pjbflynn 18:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crossings

Is the Verrazano really a Hudson River crossing? It is between Staten Island and Brooklyn, at the mouth of New York Harbor. It does not cross the river. BTW, does anyone have a complete list of the major crossings? Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo 17:31, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yes and no. I would say it crosses the Narrows, not the Hudson River. However, geologically the Hudson River bed extends out to the edge of the continental shelf, miles out into the Atlantic, so in that sense the V-N Bridge does cross the Hudson. As to crossings, connecting to New York City, they are (south to north): Verrazano-Narrows Bridge (with the caveat above), PATH downtown transit tunnel, Holland Tunnel, PATH uptown transit tunnel, Pennsylvania Railroad tunnel (now Amtrak), Lincoln Tunnel, George Washington Bridge. -- Cecropia | Talk 16:52, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Absolutely not. The geologic definition Cecropia speaks of above is not the standard definition of a river. As a matter of fact the entire discussion of the Narrows is inappropriate for this page, so I am deleting it and any reference to the V-N as a Hudson river crossing. --71.106.97.72 23:42, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
My deletion was reverted. Perhaps I was too hasty-- there's some good geologic history in The Narrows section that's germaine. However, I edited out any reference to the Narrows as the mouth of the river, which is simply false. Alansohn, please let me know if (and why) you disagree.Armandtanzarian 02:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] River or not?

According to Tidal estuary, the Hudson is a tidal estuary, and not a river, all the way up to Troy. Which is correct? --Spikey 15:14, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

Both are correct. It's a true river, having a fresh-water source. It's also a tidal estuary in its lower stretch with a counterflow of salt water. But up to Troy? Not nearly, the salt water line rarely goes north of Poughkeepsie, IIRC. -- Cecropia | Talk 16:45, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
My mistake! It says Troy feels the tidal pulse, not that the salt water goes upstream that far. Never mind. :) --Spikey 20:34, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)
I live in Albany and I've heard it said that the Hudson here is a "freshwater tidal estuary." The Wikipedia entry on estuary doesn't include this concept, in part because I think the Hudson is unusual in that it its freshwater feels the tides from roughly Poughkeepsie up to the dam at Troy. --69.207.33.242 13:18, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
The lower 3 feet of the Hudson River IS salt water all the way up to the port of Albany-Rensselaer. Salt water is heavier than fresh water which is why its at the bottom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 148.78.243.25 (talk) 23:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Pollution?

Not one mention of pollution in the article? I thought this was a major issue? -- Barrylb 02:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Feet-meters conversion

It looks to me that the conversion of cubic feet to cubic meters is incorrect. I'm going to change the cubic meters numbers, because I believe the cubic feet numbers are the correct ones. --Rkstafford 03:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] North River?

I grew up on the Hudson, and I'm a geography buff, and I have never heard of the Hudson referred to as the North River. This might be a historical term, but it is absolutely not still in local usage.71.106.97.72 23:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's still current in everyday speech, but the Amtrak tunnels are still known technically as the North River Tunnels, there's a North River Sewage Treatment Plant in Harlem, etc., so it's still alive in a technical sense. It seems to have survived in the vernacular into the early-to-mid-20th century. Choess 15:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
To qualify: the *estuary* of the Hudson was/is referred to as the North River. North of the New Jersey line, the usage may have gone off much sooner. Choess 15:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
The name North River is used to this day by commercial mariners (i.e. tugs, pilots, etc.). You never hear anyone on the radio referring to the Hudson River. I added a line to that effect. Pjbflynn 04:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] trivia section

NY 28N and US 4 also cross the Hudson River twice. Maybe it's not worth putting the statement about I-87 and US 9 there since crossing the river twice is not uncommon. --Polaron | Talk 00:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The Narrows?

My opinion the Hudson seems to end at the Battery, Manhattan, as confirmed by NOAA. Below that is Upper New York Bay. If it is part of the Hudson, other sections should be harmonized with this. This discussion is interesting and useful (geological sense), but might be better placed elsewhere. If this remains, the geological history should be grouped together in one place. If my map reading is correct, also the former course of the Hudson should be Arthur Kill to Raritan Bay (and not Raritan River). 70.21.71.160 02:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lower Hudson environment

I propose that the article Marine life of New York Harbor be renamed something like Envrironment and Ecology of New York Harbor. This would seem to reach out to the Lower Hudson below the salinity front, especially since this tidally variant. This would also absorb the Narrows section and some of the navigational tidal problems, especially since they are not solely Hudson issues. On the other hand the Hudson may well stand on its own deserving an ecology article. Comments?rmo13 00:36, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] along its southern terminus

I don't understand this phrase, is it refering to the mouth of the river in the south? Or the southern of it's two tributaries in the north? The phrase seems to imply both, with "southern [of the two]" implying the former and "terminus" the latter. SGGH speak! 21:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inconsistent data about the source

The sidebox has Lake Tear of the Clouds as the Hudson River's source, but the article Lake Tear of the Clouds states, that "the Hudson River officially begins several miles southwest of Marcy at Henderson Lake (1,814 feet)."

There is no article about a Henderson Lake, but the article Henderson, New York lists in subsection "Geographical features and locations" a Henderson Pond, which might have been referred to as Henderson Lake.

So, we have 3 options for the true source: Lake Tear of the Clouds vs. Henderson Lake vs. Henderson Pond.

Can someone familiar with the topic clean up the cited articles? --Gulliveig 06:04, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to get back to you so late ... When it is said that the Hudson "officially" begins at Henderson Lake, that means where it starts appearing on maps. But a river's source is its highest pond source, and for that reason Lake Tear has been so recognized. Daniel Case (talk) 18:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Printable page

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