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[edit] new stadium proposal tenuous at best?

I'm removing the paragraph that is discussing how the argument for the Gophers to have the new stadium on campus are "tenuous at best". The idea of measuring the distances of the stadiums from Coffman Union, while clever, are not necessarily salient nor relevant. Their concerns are to have the new stadium physically on the University of Minnesota campus (which the Metrodome certainly is not) and also to have it right next to the other sports facilities (not to mention the football teams practice facilites). Also, the majority of the student population lives on the East Bank of the river whether in the dorms or the Dinkytown area which would be much closer to the proposed stadium location.

All of that said, the reason that I'm removing the comment is just that it seems very biased and rather irrelevant to the Metrodome article.

Luke 04:48, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] too cold - weather in minnesota

I dispute the POINT OF VIEW that the Metrodome is "widely" considered to be the worst baseball venue. By whom? And under what conditions? The current expensive proposal is an OPEN AIR ballpark. It is TOO BLOODY COLD to be going to outdoor games in Minneapolis until right about now, the first of June, and once September rolls around, it chills down in a hurry. The ones who are pushing this open-air park are liable to push the team right out of the city, eventually, because no one will show up for 3 of the 6 months of the season! Wahkeenah 23:34, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] below zero wind chills

Yes it does happen in Minneapolis in October and April. Wind chill can dip down to 0 degrees F at 35 MPH with an ambient air temperature of 20 degrees F. As User:Baseball_Bugs points out, A quick random check shows it was below 0 wind chill on April 4th this past year (2007). [1] Group29 18:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

If you can find further documentation in order to convince that one skeptical editor, that would be good. I just don't know where to go to find past records. weather.com seems to be focused on the upcoming forecast only. Baseball Bugs 20:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
This website [2] can get you high and low temperatures for each day. I don't see anything that melds that info. with wind speed though, which would be required to calculate wind chill. I don't really understand what the fuss is about. Soon the Twins will have a new open ballpark; I don't think there's anything any of us can do to change that.--Appraiser 21:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] pix in info

Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome
The Thunderdome, The Homerdome
Twins playoff game
Twins playoff game
Image:10-10A.jpg
Metrodome during Gophers game in 2003, again from a similar vantage point
Action during a Vikings game, from a location similar to 2004 ALDS photo
Action during a Vikings game, from a location similar to 2004 ALDS photo
Location 900 S. 5th Street
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415
Opened April 3, 1982
Owner Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission
Surface FieldTurf
(SuperTurf from 1982 to 1986;
AstroTurf from 1987 through 2003)
Construction cost $68 million USD
Architect Skidmore, Owings & Merrill
Tenants Minnesota Twins (MLB) (1982-present)
Minnesota Vikings (NFL) (1982-present)
Minnesota Golden Gophers (NCAA baseball) (1st half of season)
Minnesota Golden Gophers (NCAA football) (1982-present)
Minnesota Strikers (NASL) (1984)
Minnesota Timberwolves (NBA) (1989-1990)
Capacity 48,000 (Baseball)
63,000 (Football)
50,000 (Basketball)
Field dimensions Left Field - 343 ft (105 m)
Left-Center - 385 ft (117 m) (Not posted)
Center Field - 408 ft (124 m)
Right-Center - 367 ft (112 m) (Not posted)
Right Field - 327 ft (100 m)
Backstop - 60 ft (18 m)
Dome Apex - 186 ft (57 m)
Wall - 7 feet (left and center field)
Wall - 16 feet (right field)


I proposed putting 3 pictures in the info box each pix of each main tenant Twins Vikes and Gophers. Currently just having a baseball picture paints IMO an incorrect picture the stadium was built for football first and baseball was an afterthough. What do others think of including pictures of the football set up in the info box Smith03 01:34, 12 March 2006 (UTC) or perhaps moving the baseball picture into the article and using a picture of the outside of the dome in the boxSmith03

  • At the time I put the baseball pic in the infobox, that's about all there was. The other pics were gradually added. A generic exterior shot for the infobox, with the interior shots next to writeups about the different usages, would be fine. Wahkeenah 02:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Puckett's death

I took this out "Following the death of Twins great Kirby Puckett in March 2006, public support for a new Twins ballpark swelled considerably, with the request that the park be named for the fallen Twin. Presumably to accomplish this the state of Minnesota would purchase naming rights in addition to the proposed public funding." He died last week its way to earlier to know if support has swelled considerably or that the support will last long after the intial shock of the death. Also it very unlikely the state is going to pay the Twins to name the stadium after Puckett the Twins will want $ for naming rights and this state is not huge on giving money to team in the first placeSmith03 01:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes, it's hyperbole and wishful thinking. Wahkeenah 02:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias in Gopher's Stadium Section

"Attendance at Gopher football games rarely fills the Metrodome to capacity, and it is thought that, in order to pep up its student base for increased ticket sales, an on-campus stadium is required. Presumably they used opposite reasoning when they abandoned the old on-campus stadium."

This seems rather biased to me, especially the use of the words "presumably" and "abandoned" in such a condesending way. I would like to see the second sentance of the above quote just outright deleted.

  • It's a way of pointing out how the charlatans foist new taxes on the citizenry to pay for new stadiums to replace the old ones that were once considered so wonderful. Wahkeenah 17:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
If you want to find evidence that the opposite was argued, by all means do so. But presumption isn't adequate.--RLent 17:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
They currently think they need on an-campus stadium. They obviously didn't think so in 1982, or they obviously wouldn't have moved. Wahkeenah 18:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I've reverted it back for you. Are you happy now? Do you enjoy giving your tax dollars to these bloodsuckers? Wahkeenah 18:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last of?

FTA: "McAfee Coliseum, Dolphin Stadium, and the Metrodome are the last of the "multipurpose facilities" that were once common throughout professional sports." I'd just like to point out that the Skydome/Rogers Centre in Toronto is also a multipurpose facility. It hosts Canadian Football League and Major League Baseball games as well as other events. Therefore it should be included on this list. --CokeBear 18:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

  • So, change it already! Wahkeenah 18:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Longest Home Run

What is the longest home run to left feild? I know people hit the upper deck in right but I am curious as to how far a home run would have to go to get the the upper deck in left. User:02:17, 1 August 2006 65.27.96.112 (Talk) (Longest Home Run) 02:17, 1 August 2006 65.27.96.112 (Talk) (Longest Home Run)

  • There is nothing about it in the Twins media guide. That's surprising, considering how much time and effort they have made over the years to get exact measurements. They even did that at the Old Met. This much I can tell you: It would take a titanic blast to hit the left field upper deck. But I bet Harmon could have done it. He put one on the left field roof at Tiger Stadium, and believe me, that was one long drive. Wahkeenah 02:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible replacements section is too wordy

Anyone wanna work on fixing it?

I added subsections for each team and cleaned a little bit up. It still needs some major work, though. EC2 14:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Year for Superbowl

How is adding the year for the superbowl vandalism??? It may not be needed but that doesn't make it vandalism.

  • I talked with the user about that. We're good. Wahkeenah 16:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wiping out edit

What's the point of just wiping out the notes I added about Mickey Hatcher trying to catch Dave Kingman's ball in the Trivia section, without any explanation? 80.255.39.45 04:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sections

This has become a big article at 34K. I put in splits to essentially move out everything that does not explain what the Metrodome is. The text about the Twins Ballpark is largely already in that article, so probably can be removed from the Metrodome article and a main template be put in. The Vikings stadium information probably has to stay for now. The controversy section could be its own article. Group29 21:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Swastika

Perhaps we should add something about the accidental "Swastika" shap in the ceiling from the way the ceiling was designed? We could put it in the "Controversies" section. I didn't do it. 21:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I've never seen it, so that sounds like "original research", and certainly no "controversy", unless you can find a proper source. Wahkeenah 21:06, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I can vouch for the swastika shape. I noticed immediately upon my first visit the "zig zags" where the stiffening beams join at the apex of the dome. It may or may not be an interesting piece of trivia about the design. See an article (with picture) here The Final (Ballpark) Solution: Does the Metrodome Roof Contain a Giant Swastika? - City Pages Vol 26 Issue 1276 first published May 18, 2005 Group29 15:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

It looks really bad that there is no pic in the infobox. It really doesn't matter if its football or baseball. I'll move one there, just to make it look better.Duckblazer 02:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Homerdome"

I too have read that the park factors for the Metrodome show it's not really a "homerdome," but the ESPN park factors (for which they have data going back to 2001) indicate that in recent years it's about even, favoring neither pitchers nor hitters. If no one can come up with a good citation on the Metrodome actually being a pitcher's park, that line in the article should be adjusted. 20:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Metrodome HR park factors 2001-2006: 2001: .864, rank 28/33, 2002: 1.175, 11/33, 2003: 1.032 14/33, 2004: .925, 21/33, 2005: .947, 15/33, 2006: .836, 25/33 -- overall average: .963 (in case any one is curious...)

[edit] Loudest stadiums

Just a note. J. D. Redding 02:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy?

"Controvery" is such a terrible mess that I suggest deleting it entirely. This part of the entry reads like "stadium issue blogging" written by someone without the slightest understanding of the NPOV policy.

Just a few examples (though several dozen are obvious):

"The Metrodome is thought to be an increasingly poor fit for all three of its major tenants"

"The indoor venue is particularly welcome ..."

"It is impossible for the citizens of mid-sized U.S. metropolitan areas ... to be assured that any given professional sports team will remain in the area." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.177.108 (talk) 04:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I just read that article and I was under the impression someone was trying to sell me a project for a new stadium. 137.122.30.230 (talk) 02:07, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please replace the head picture with one with the background of downtown Minneapolis skyline.

I don't understand why the current one is shot from this angle, showing the most under-developed and grey region around the Metrodome. It just couldn't be worse. The Metrodome is actually seated in a prosperous area and there are many ways to make a beautiful picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.33.142 (talk) 00:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cookie cutter stadium category

At best the Cookie cutter stadiums is an Original Research essay. It shows a remarkable misunderstanding and contempt for stadium design. I removed this category. Group29 18:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)