Talk:HTC TyTN II

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Product catalogue or encyclopedia??

Is this an appropriate entry for an encyclopaedia? It seems to me to be simply a product description.

Surely it should be referenced (if there is any need for a comprehensive listing of all devices conforming to a certain generic specification) under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_pc ?

Generally it seems out of place to seek to fill Wikipedia with entries from product catalogues. It does not seem to me that a product catalogue entry is similar, either in intent or in substance, to an encyclopedic entry.

In my view this article should be deleted or, if there is some reason to include a reference to this data, which is readily available in many places on the web, then an external reference be supplied on the Pocket pc (or Smartphone) articles.

LookingGlass 20:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at Category:Smartphones. Shawnc 01:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 NPOV 2 Photo 3 Video driver issues 4 Australian Carriers 5 Valueadd?

[edit] NPOV

"It appears to be superior to the iPhone since the TyTN II has 3.5G compared to only 2.5G for the iPhone, and it can also take video clips (the iPhone can't)." What is up with this? Wikipedia is not a personal opion, it is factual data--In response, I have deleted this portion. (Wikepedia keeps messing up the formating, that's why I have edited this a couple times.. sorry! :)Anapologetos (talk) 23:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

The photo for this article is terrible - the phone looks indistinguishable from any other dull pocket pc, and the composition is rubbish (tiny phone in the middle of the picture). Does anyone with a TyTN II want to add a better photo? (e.g. with the keyboard open and tilted).

Updated the image with one not from eBay! Image is used under the Creative Commons license (Non-commercial), see Image:HTCTyTnII-open-hires.jpg

Joelittlejohn (talk) 21:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a better photo, but it seems a bit large at the moment, don't you think? 98.223.170.167 (talk) 15:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Video driver issues

I've updated this section to try and deal with some of the NPOV issues, and give a more encyclopaedic account of what has been going on (I know this is an emotive issue, but this is Wikipedia, not a soap box). I've tried to stick to the facts as much as possible. Comments welcome.

Joelittlejohn (talk) 01:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I think what you did was good. I did a little more by removing the bit about the online petition, and the cash for the bounty. --ShakataGaNai (talk) 01:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Out of interest, why did you remove these? I believe they are fairly significant events that should be recorded (how many products spark a petition signed by 3500 people? and a reward of $3000 to fix a problem?). They are also factual. Without these two facts, the suggestion that there is a significant body of unsatisfied users is now unfounded (and could be removed as non NPOV).

81.133.135.201 (talk) 08:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I see now that the bounty is still mentioned (just the cash amount removed). This makes perfect sense to me as the cash value is just going to be forever out of date. I think the petition is still worth a mention though :)

81.133.135.201 (talk) 09:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Petitions are a very slippery slope around here. If you are interested you can check out Journeyman (TV series), which also has a petition/myspace page going and a long fight about it. I think that in general a petition isn't notable, unless there is something relatively important about it (ex: Jerichos "nuts"). Regardless I think that mentioning it here is kinda of a subtle "hey, look how many people have signed! You too can sign! Help us!" etc.. Also, yes, I removed the cach amount for much the same reason. --ShakataGaNai (talk) 07:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Some of your information is wrong. For example, TyTN actually IS using some driver rather than pure software mode, the driver itself is not performing well. For example: TCPMP performs better in RAW software mode than when using the driver, check the benches in the Mobile-Review article. When I was writing and updating the article, I tried to stick to the most current information, so I dont see how it was a soap opera, except for some other people begging to sign the petition. 60.241.197.166 (talk), 8 January 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 07:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

If you have sources, you can feel free to update the article. BE BOLD --ShakataGaNai (talk) 07:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Australian Carriers

I have seen this mobile in 3 mobile and Optus shops in Australia, none of these networks are mentioned in the carriers section. --211.28.35.33 (talk) 13:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Who cares... The list would be too long to carry all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.250.41.66 (talk) 06:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Valueadd?

There are details in the valueadd bullet concerning a single carrier. (Swisscom) Suggest breaking that content out into a seperate section to detail each providers' valueadd. I just picked up a Tilt from AT&T yesterday and it most assuredly did not match this section. :) Quoted text to follow.

Value Added Applications: HTC Home™, TomTom navigation software(tester edition normally, but Swisscom now supply this phone with the full TomTom navigation package included. Swisscom also pre-load the full Swiss train timetable and a translation program and Live TV including MTV and CNN. No SkySports yet though!!), Business card scanner also on some but not Swisscom.

Also, O2 do not promote TeleNav as suggested. They actually supply the handset with Co Pilot, a free to use Sat Nav software. Suggesting that they only supply/promote software with a monthly charge is a bit dubious possibly?