Talk:Hsiao Bi-khim

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[edit] Hsiao's ancestry and DPP policies?

While I'm willing to concede that Hsiao's support of the Taiwan localization movement is relevant to a bio article about her, I object to the inclusion of some characterization of her being "not Taiwanese" (in the first sentence, the article says she was born to a Taiwanese mother), and that whether or not it's even relevant to the article to suggest being only half Taiwanese is contrary to DPP policies (I'd also challenge the accuracy of that claim). To me, that last bit sounds like it's just trying to smear her, her ancestry, and smear the DPP - certainly not a NPOV, and not relevant to a bio article. Even if it is determined to be relevant by others, I'd still like to see a source cited to back up those claims. --Folic Acid 12:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The way it's phrased is certainly non-neutral and an inaccurate characterization of DPP multiethnic policy to boot ([1], see "Solving Taiwan’s Ethnic Conflict", 2004-08-20). Now regardless of what you think the result of that has been, it certainly isn't an endorsement of an exclusion policy. Discussion on the actual effects of that belong on a seperate article. Addtionally, the fact that she is of mixed ethnicity and a DPP member is already mentioned in the first couple of sentences. -Loren 16:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

It should be mentioned that the DPP supports the Taiwan localization meaning Taiwanese that came from China hundreds of years ago. They dont really like the new migrants such as Mainlanders or mixed races. They dont even like the Hakka and aborgines too much, let alone mixed races. A point should be raised that she is mixed race and supports the DPP, further..saying that the DPP is not very accepting of other groups. TingMing 00:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

What you said is kinda biased.They dont even like the Hakka and aborgines too much, what?--Jerry 01:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

And George Bush doesn't care about black people. My folks are native Taiwanese and pan-Blue. One of my best friends is a 49-er and pan-Green. Neither case is unusual these days. As always, ethnic generalizations are a red herring. -Loren 01:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Who said Native Taiwanese cannot support the KMT? If that were true, the KMT would have no support at all. There aren't 1.2 million Mainlanders born on Mainland China now in Taiwan. There are 1.2 million KMT party members. Look here. This is not about the pan-blue. This is about the Pan-green. People who sympathize with the pan-greens are most likely 99% Native Taiwanese. Occasionally there is always some random maverick who wants to do the opposite like Hsiao here. We need to point that out that this is a rarity and not common. The DPP is too extreme. That is one of the reasons why this is true. The KMT is more moderate. TingMing 02:34, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you missed my point. People are free to support whomever they want. Aside from zealots on the fringes of both sides, the Blue/Green divide is not as clear cut as you make it out to be, and certainly isn't driven solely by cross-Straits relations. Even within the various political blocs there are a multitude of posiitons, as I think you may have found out recently on Talk:Taiwan. And there are people like me (dare I say, the silent majority?) who subscribe to Don't-give-a-fuckism and will vote for whomever we damn well please irrespective of party lines. I can appreceate that you have strong opinions. I also don't care if you're blue, green, red, or candy-striped as long as you can work with people of other POVs here and respect their views. Is Hsiao Bi-khim a maverick? We don't pass judgement on that here, our job is to provide readers with the bare information and let them make up their own minds.-Loren 03:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)