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Contents 1 Intro 2 Headquarters 3 U.S. Building Photos 4 Image request: HongkongBank 5 Improvement Drive 6 Geographical Division 7 Local Operations 8 Announcement of annual results 9 Featured?? 10 Hong Kong 11 Offshore call centre fraud report 12 Bank Size 13 HSBC Bank International 14 Nicknames

[edit] Intro

Keifer Sunderlandhjhh is listed as one of the founders of HSBC in the 1800's? It even links to the actor. I don't think this is correct. I also don't think that the logo is derived from the angular cross that St Andrew was crucified on. I don't think St Andrew was crucified. --Sparkz 27-06-05 11:05 GMT

What does Beijing/Peking have to do with the Shanghai entry? --Xanadu 02:51, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

If you ask HSBC, they deny any association with the phrase "Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation" although this is what a lot UK staff believed when they became associated with each other. They say it's just some letters which make up their name 195.137.95.81 20:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

When corporations decide to rebrand under their commonly accepted acronym, they seem strangely unwilling to refer back to their original long name through public relations departments. The following text is copied directly from HSBC's global website, under About HSBC > Group History > 1865-1899: "The HSBC Group is named after its founding member, The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Limited, which was established in 1865 to finance the growing trade between Europe, India and China." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.151.22.189 (talk) 05:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Headquarters

To quote from User:Instantnood, "Please stop edits based on ignorance. HSBC's corporate headquarters is in London, while it's global headquarters is in Hong Kong"

I would challenge that statement as being factually inaccurate. This article is on HSBC Group, which is a holding company headquatered in London. The Hongkong and Shanghai Bangking Corporation, a subsidiary of HSBC Group, is headquatered in Hong Kong. Both are actually different entities, and should not be confused to refer to the same thing here. The above can be verified simply by refering to HSBC's websites....I do not see any claims over there that HSBC Groups' "global headquaters is in Hong Kong"?--Huaiwei 21:37, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

HSBC Holdings plc is incorporated in England, with head office in London, but Hong Kong remains the headquarters of many, if not most, of the operations of the group. — Instantnood 13:25, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

HSBC Holdings has one HQ, and that is in London. You know that full well. Issues over whether it has most of its subsidiary operations outside of London or not is not going to change the fact that its HQ is indeed in London.--Huaiwei 14:54, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fine. You're always correct and I'm always wrong. — Instantnood 15:08, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

You sound like you seem to be taking things rather personally? Let the facts prevail. This is an encyclopedia. Not a soup opera.--Huaiwei 15:19, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Please stop pushing the responsibility. It was you who said " You know that full well ". — Instantnood 15:29, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

Huh?--Huaiwei 15:33, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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The above discussion deals with the dispute over whether Hong Kong is headquarters of HSBC, and whether the article should be categorised under category:Transnational corporations headquartered in Hong Kong. Click here to see the difference between the two versions. — Instantnood 15:39, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] U.S. Building Photos

Anyone in Buffalo or Manhattan who could take a GNU photo of the respective HSBC towers? I'm in Syracuse and there's one here, but it's noting special. newkai 07:09, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image request: HongkongBank

Has anyone got a picture of a branch of HSBC with the sign "HongkongBank" (like this one [1]), before its rebranding as HSBC? Thanks. :-) — Instantnood 19:42, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Improvement Drive

The article Grameen Bank is currently nominated to be improved on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. Support this article with your vote.--Fenice 17:20, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Geographical Division

Does anyone else agree that the geographical organisation is a bit odd? eg Mexico is the 4th biggest part of the group.

It would probably make sense to organise the page in the same way as HSBC organise themselves, with 4 regional HQs, ie Americas, Asia Pacific, Europe and Middle East and Africa. http://www.hsbc.com/hsbc/about_hsbc/international-networks

Also a bit of a regig might help to underline that the banks HSBC have bought are HSBC rather than what they used to be. eg i recon main articles as eg Demirbank or CCF imply thats how things are now, whereas its just HSBC Turkey or HSBC France.

[edit] Local Operations

Just wondered what people's thoughts were on this article, and which way is forwards... had been looking particularly at the local operations section which seems to have got a bit out of control - there are plenty of other things we could put in - a proper corporate governance section for starters... especially considering the firm deviates from the accepted practice by having its chairman from within - due to change at results this year too. In terms of the local parts of I've been sketching out some ideas in a more summary style User:Ian3055/HSBC table draft, the text and links and so on probably arn't 100% yet (nor am I any good at tables - but it shows the idea - feel free to amend), I'm erring towards option (b), but I'm not completely sold yet... Ian3055 16:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Lost this in the Local Ops edit. Ought to go back in if someone can see a reasonable place to put it
In 2003 HSBC completed its controversial acquisition of Household International, after Household settled on charges of predatory lending. The deal is now seen as in a much more positive light, The Banker suggests that "when banking historians look back, they may conclude that [it] was the deal of the first decade of the 21st century". HSBC is expanding the Household International consumer financial model to Brazil, India and elsewhere. Ian3055 23:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Announcement of annual results

Where did John Bond and Stephen Green announce the 2005 final results of the HSBC Holdings plc on March 6, 2006? London or Hong Kong? — Instantnood 20:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

The first and main announcement was by John Bond and Douglas Flint in London, however Stephen Green and Michael Geoghegan repeated the exercise in Hong Kong. Hasnt been officially said but the second pairing represents the new Chairman and CEO combination so perhaps it was to be a kind of dry run, chance for the markets to see them together. Ian3055 22:42, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

What was announced, respectively, in London and Hong Kong? Are the announcement sessions held simultaneously, and if not, when were they held? Thanks. — Instantnood 19:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured??

How come this article is in the featured articles category, but there is no template at the top saying it was featured? 203.218.37.8 05:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC) Besides, the English is terrible. It doesn't deserve to be featured at this point.

[edit] Hong Kong

There seemed to be a large duplicate within the article, which I removed and given that HSBC's website describes themselves as "Hongkong" and not "Hong Kong", I made all references refer to the former. --Despair 06:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Offshore call centre fraud report

I've added a brief note regarding this - it seems to be a fairly unremarkable staff fraud story, but given the UK media attention / controversy surrounding offshore call centres (and some of the previous scare stories about non-HSBC leaks of confidential info from them) it seems worth a mention. Mrph 00:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bank Size

Paragraph 2 says HSBC is the largest bank in the world in terms of assets. My understanding is that Mitsubishi Tokyo UFJ is the largest, bigger than both HSBC and Citigroup. I cannot verify. Can someone investigate? co94 Nov 10, 2006

[edit] HSBC Bank International

I attempted to expand the information regarding HSBC Bank International yesterday, as the details were a bit sparten for what is a major part of the group's make-up. Alas, somebody else vandalised it by adding 'hello', and now the ammendment has been removed entirely. The page needs to be more structured, reflecting the group's structure and organisation. For example, HSBC Bank International is a uniquely registered company, yet it does not appear on the 'subsidiaries' section at the header of the page. Also, attention seems to be focused oddly toward the most 'hot' topics. Global call centres get a higher positioning and five paragraphs of text. HSBC Premier (at the TOP of its global development strategy)... gets three lines. 81.20.184.51 22:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC) Luke Thomas

[edit] Nicknames

I searched in vain for "Honkers and Shankers". DCDuring (talk) 18:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)