Talk:Howard Webb
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Removed the following:
- In the Bolton v Fulham match, on the 11th February 2007, he and his two assistants were all wearing green shirts, black shorts and socks. However also wearing a green shirt and black shorts and socks was Fulham goalkeeper Jan Lastuvka
As this is not relevant. Many officials wear All black when the Goalkeepers do also.Statto74 10:21, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Relevance?
Of course it is relevant. The Laws of Association Football (Law 4) state that the kit colours of the officials must be distinguishable from all other players, including the goalkeepers. It is the referee's sole duty to ensure this, not the match assessor or home club/away club.
If necessary, the referee and his assistants change their coloured shirts to ones which do differentiate. Therefore, in the context of a biographical article such as this, it does become notable if the referee fails to carry out his duty (which unfortunately Howard did on this occasion).
However, I do admit that it is an ever-increasing sight to see goalkeepers' and officials' garb clashing so obviously!
By the way, Howard's three red cards in one match is not the same as a total of three red cards in all previous League Cup Finals - so both statistics should be quoted in the article. And trying to apply "relevance" to a section headed 'Trivia' is like stepping on quicksand. Refsworldlee(chew-fat)(eds) 22:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Irrelevance!
This NON information and has no relevance, if it did why wouldn't every instance in the Premiership be listed?
Law 4 states the goalkeeper must wear colours that distinguish him from other players and officials.
The LOAF also states that offensive, abusive or insulting language or gestures are sending off offences but you have failed to list every player that has sworn at Howard Webb that he has not dismissed!
I have also tidied up the scruffy use of the word "booking" and relaced it with "caution" as per Law 12 Fouls and misconduct.Statto74 14:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Firstly, I did not create the Howard Webb article, and have not expanded it by much - I have no wish to, as it seems fine to me in it's present form. It's not me who did the initial listings in the article.
- Secondly, editors are free to add any instances of a referee's failure to carry out his basic pre-match or on-field duties that they see fit of course. But they haven't because it is really no big deal in the end. So I'm not bothering to get into a revert war with you over one paragraph of trivia.
- As you quote:"Law 4 states the goalkeeper must wear colours that distinguish him from other players and officials." I did say before, it is Howard's duty to the FA to see that this is adhered to, no-one else's - my basic point as regards "relevance" in the first place.
- As an ex-referee, I totally agree that the lingo should be "caution" and not "booking", just as "dismissal" should always replace "sending-off". As I say, I have not spent enough time around this article to have noticed the error.
- By the way, thank you for not reverting the "three cards" issue (Carling Cup Final 2007). I hope you could see my point about that one. Cheers. Refsworldlee(chew-fat)(eds) 22:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Most goals in a Premiership game
Is this section relevant? The record has since been broken, and the result although witnessed by Webb was not something he, strictly speaking, played a part in as he was only an official in the match.
Fieldday-sunday (talk) 14:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hi. If you believe that anything in Wikipedia is wrong, then be bold and change it. Do be prepared for some opposition to your edits from time to time though.
- Personally, I have always believed that many of the statistics included in certain articles constitute original research, as someone has to work them out. The section you are referring to has no direct reference for the information.
