Talk:Howard Beach, Queens
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[edit] Geography (Borders)
If Lindenwood is part of Howard Beach and it's north of the Belt Parkway, then the northern border cannot be the Belt Parkway. If Hamilton Beach is part of Howard Beach and it's main (and eastern most) road is 104th Street, then 102nd street cannot be the eastern Border of Howard Beach. Likewise, for the homes east of 102 street and north of Coleman Square, they're on 103rd street. Coleman Square is at 103rd Street, and if the eastern border is at 102, street, that means the "Howard Beach Subway Station" isn't in Howard Beach.
[edit] CRIMNIALS with BASEBALL BATS
The description of the men as criminals is not very neutral, if the contributor is in the act of chronicalling CRIMNAL ACTS, then please explain where in the penal code it's okay to attack someone with a baseball bat? so the:
"...criminals were attacked with baseball bats when caught attempting to steal a car in the neighborhood;..."
should be changed to:
"...men were CRIMINALLY attacked by CRIMINALS with baseball bats when caught attempting to steal a car in the neighborhood;"
One is an ATTEMPT at a crime, the other is a CRIME.
[edit] other stuff
This article is not very neutral. Someone should put one of those "the neutrality of this article is disputed" signs up.
- I've looked through the article and have to ask, "Which parts do you feel are not neutral?", they can be changed.
[edit] Neutrality Redux
Having just come across this page, I made one addition to the "Howard Beach Redux" section which recounts the events of the June attacks on three African-American men and speaks to the original question of neutrality given above. The original summary of "Redux" conveniently ends with the fact that one of the alleged attackers had gone after a Sikh mistaken for a Muslim in response to the September 11, 2001. The implication is clear: that was a bias attack, so clearly this is one as well. However, the facts of this case do not speak clearly to this implication, at least not to the extent that the author may wish. There is evidence, including the testimony of the victims themselves, that the victims were actually there to steal a car and had made threats to steal a chain from a perpetrator in the attacks. Obviously this does not justify the beating, but it is nonetheless relevant to the case and cannot be omitted if the author's intention (as it should be) is to give a clear account of what is known and what is hearsay. This is a central question of the incident and, pending further investigation, must be included in any factual summary so as not to provide a misleading indication of finality to what is known to have happened. Thus the additional sentence at the end of "Redux," and perhaps an example of a lack of neutrality as expressed above.
18:46, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Neutrality Redux Redux
The following edits:
- all of whom had previous criminal records,
- Upon autopsy, he was found to have had a near toxic level of cocaine in his bloodstream by a toxicologist.
- despite the fact that one of the local teenagers was dating a black female, whom he was on good terms with at the time.
- So is it okay to kill someone by chasing them onto the Belt Parkway if they have a Criminal Record?
- Cocaine in the bloodstream is a defense for this?
- Dating a Black female makes this okay?
[edit] Howard Beach redux
I dont feel the two incidents should be put together they are isolated.
[edit] This is hilarious
Parts of this article are so NPOV it's funny. Why would you bring up a racial incident that happened twenty years ago in this article about a community? A bunch of two-bit mooks hit some guys with baseball bats and all of a sudden that reflects the views of the entire neighborhood? Come on. Do you know how often crimes like that are committed? This would not be an issue if the New York Times and other New York media were not so inflammatory, trying to sell papers through "racial tension."
- First of all, remember to sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~ so that we know who wrote what and when. The incidents listed were particularly notorious and heinous, above and beyond the every day mook-related racial incident. These incidents are notable, verifiable and encyclopedic. Twenty years is far to soon to right off incidents of this nature. Alansohn 20:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] John Gotti Jr.
John Gotti Jr. lived here as well. Please confirm with independant sources, but I think it is an important part of the neighborhood's history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.94.237.147 (talk) 21:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] 150 person Howard Beach march
This is completely factual. Here's a link.
This is significant to the Halloween incident. I'm adding it back. 72.161.221.51 (talk) 08:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- inserted your link into article but also rewrote section to be more consistent with what was contained in your link and other link give in section 130.156.29.112 (talk) 19:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bias Incidents
Maybe these sections should be moved to a separate article to avoid dominating this one. Thoughts? 130.156.30.59 (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
