Talk:Howa Type 89

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[edit] Basic info

I added some basic detailed information about this rifle based on informal interview of a GSDF reservist and Japanese publications. More information will be added later as it is encountered. Choeki 16:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I translated the majority of the Japanese version of the article to include more details to the English version. More information to be added later as it is translated and reformatted or encountered through other means. Choeki 11:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] M203 attachment

>Attachment of the M203 grenade launcher is possible with the proper adapter.<

You sure? I have yet to see an M203 attached to a Type 89, nor am I aware of picattinny rails long enough for attachment of an M203. The only picatttinny rail that I know of that attaches to the Type 89's foregrip is for the addition of a vertical grip.

(Please sign your comments) As far as my GSDF contact is concerned it is possible but not common. I have a photo of one archived and will post it once I find it. There is still a degree of secrecy regarding the actual combat active units, equipment and weapons but strangely enough they seem to allow themselves to be photographed during training exercises. Choeki 17:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Where do you get your information? I'm actually an airsofter trying to "represent" the JGSDF, and the limited knowledge I have comes from my replica Type 89 and what little I can piece together from various websites and my broken Japanese.(Sekiryu 02:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC))

I live in Japan and have a friend that is a reservist in the GSDF. He trained as an Airborne Ranger in the 1980's to 90's and has an older brother who is an active duty motorbike scout in Narashino. Incidentally, I met him (and other active duty and reservist JSDF members) through airsoft activities. I also have direct access to publications and technical books issued by the Ministry of Defense as well as commercial publications in Japanese.

As for the airsoft version, bear in mind that despite outward appearances the toy has a few differences compared to the real thing (materials and durability being the least of them) so I should caution you to not make direct comparisons between the two. There is an official GSDF issued version of the toy for training purposes (for safety and cost concerns) called the TAG-89 (Training Air Gun-89), whihc is basically the same as the commercial toy, but the handguard and stock are an OD green color. Choeki 06:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering what the differences between the GSDF version and the civilian market version were. (Sekiryu 21:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC))

Sorry for asking so many questions--the Type 89 and the JGSDF are an interest of mine. Would I be correct in saying that disassembly of the Type 89 is similar to the M16, in that the upper receiver hinges open?

[edit] M9 bayonet being attached?

I thought the bayonet lug on the Type 89 was larger than that of the M16, thus making it impossible for the M9 bayonet to fit. (Sekiryu 16:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

My GSDF reservist contact has (a personally owned) M9 bayonet that he as affixed during training exercises in Yamanashi on his issued Type-89 so I have no reason not to believe him. Choeki 14:01, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

How often are the bayonets used by the GSDF? (compared to other countries' usage of bayonets) (Sekiryu 03:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC))

From my understanding, pretty much never - outside of training (in other words, pretty much the same level of use as other countries' usage of bayonets). There is an actual PX item that effectively is a "Peace-bonding" lanyard so that you have to remove three clips from the bayonet in order to deploy it. Choeki 14:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)