Talk:How Soon Is Now?
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[edit] Proposed merge
Why not keep the singles separate? It may be the same song, but it's two different bands doing it. I guess that in many similar cases, the pages are combined, but I'd prefer to see them not. If putting them together is WP policy, then that's alright, but otherwise, I'm against the merger. Folkor 15:59, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I think the question of merging or not merging a cover version with the original's article (or in some cases, not even the original but simply the 'most famous' version) has to be done on a case-by-case basis. I'm not against separate pages for different versions of the same song per se but in this case the t.A.T.u article is so slight I don't think it adds much to Wikipedia by being on its own. If someone wants to flesh out the t.A.T.u single article and show that it really deserves to stand by itself, I'd look at it again and perhaps say leave it separate. Based on how it is now, I'm more in favour of deleting the t.A.T.u article and adding stuff about its chart position and music video not to The Smith's song article but to 200 km/h in the Wrong Lane. After all, it wasn't even a big single for t.A.T.u - compare with "All the Things She Said" off the same album. Cheers, Ian Rose 04:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the greater question then should be should the t.A.T.u article even exist? Merging that single with this one would end up adding nothing to the article (since it is already stated that they did a cover of the song, and that appears to be the only thing notable about that single, including the chart performance). I just don't see anypoint in merging those articles. Perhaps we should question whether or not it should be deleted. Not every single is notable, especially a single that really do well on the charts or would be known by the common public. THollan 23:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'm against merging as I don't think it would add anything to the article about The Smiths song. It already mentions who covered it etc. Englishrose 23:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I find no justification to merge information on the t.A.T.u remake with the original. I have no ill will towards t.A.T.u; I have not heard their cover. But, I am generally not in favor of artists in today's consumerized and conformist music industry having to remake songs with substance, meaning, originality, and in general, overall value, from the Retro/New Wave/New Romantic era. To give space to here for such info would serve to credit any modern artist on simply adapting an excellent original song to the likes of today's indolent, ignorant, and media/commercial driven society. anonymous 16:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, we certainly seem to have consensus on not merging the t.A.T.u article with the Smiths one. None of the above have suggested adding anything from t.A.T.u to this article. As I said earlier - and there appears some consensus on this too - the next question is should the t.A.T.u article even exist? (My own position is still to merge it with 200 km/h in the Wrong Lane.) However, its proposed deletion or merge is something for that article, not this one. I suggest there's been enough discussion on the subject to at least remove the merge proposal notice from here. Cheers, Ian Rose 06:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- I agree - merge the t.A.T.u single article with the album page, not the Smiths single article. Folkor 16:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- No! It would be madness to merge Barbara Osgood 12:53, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
- I know this is like really old but i think it should be merged because the t.A.T.u. article isn't really that big. Lillygirl 06:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] quicksand cover
I have quicksands "slip" on cd and its not there..although it is an first issue disk...Its not available on the I-tunes version either and I can't find any other mention of it other than on WIKIPEDIA
[edit] First Commercial Use?
At least in the London region:for many non-Smiths fans, he use of this track to advertise Pepe jeans (with a memorable image of two youths sheltering from the rain) must have had a lot to do with its subsequent popularity, Plutonium27 00:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Tremelo guitar
This doesn't seem to be accurate:
- The tune is built around a guitar chord that rapidly oscillates in volume. As to how the distinctive resonant sound was achieved, the following was offered by Patrick Frawley on a fan site:[5]
- "There is a 'vibrato' or 'tremolo' twist knob on certain guitar amplifiers; some Fender models come to mind. It specifically produces that unmistakable wooga-wooga sound, originally intended to emulate a skilled stringed instrument player's fingered tremoloing (think concert violinists, cellists, etc). It's basically an electrically induced volume oscillation; one can hear the chord being played, bouncing back and forth on the volume scale, but Marr's good enough to mask the changes. Early guitar rock god Bo Diddley used it extensively on his Fifties singles, which have influenced generations of guitarists, including (obviously) Marr. The distinctive drumbeat of the track is also a blatant/loving Diddley nick".
A couple of years ago, there was a programme on channel 4 in the UK (something like "Top Ten Guitarists") where Johnny Marr described how this was done. The guitar part in question was actually sampled and looped backwards. it would be great if someonw could find the quote. --88.111.32.112 19:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I've found an account by Marr. it seems that a sampler is not involved. I've included it in the article. --88.111.32.112 19:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding that and for all your other additions (on which I've done some copyediting). Having a quote from the horse's mouth re. the guitar part is far superior to what we had before - well done. Cheers, Ian Rose 13:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
