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Last true monarchy: This claim was removed because the King of Saudi Arabia is joined by the Sultans of Oman and Brunei, the Kings of Tonga, Swaziland, Morocco, and Bahrain, and the Emir of Qatar, as monarchs with not necessarily absolute, but very real governmental power. Shimmin 22:39, Sep 16, 2004 (UTC)

Why don't the Sauds from Saudi Arabia have bullets before their names? -gren

The link at the bottom of the page is blatantly prejudiced. While that is not necessarily grounds for removal, the fact that it is obvious propaganda may be; there is no factual basis for these claims. Also, this article needs to be expanded quite a bit. I'm sure there is plenty of common information on the House of Saud to be found. --Kaelus 11:29, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)


I don't get this paragraph

Sons of Abd al-Aziz are from the Abd al-Aziz line of the family, and are the only members allowed to serve as King or Crown Prince. As this generation will not last forever, a future King will eventually have to decree a new generation to eventually replace the Abd al-Aziz line and thus provide new heirs to the throne. Members of this line are referred to with the style "His Royal Majesty" or "His Royal Highness."

So is this a "line" or a "generation". I guess that the terms "line" and "generation" here are refering to patrilineality, ie, everything is inherited from the male line. After all, it's not inconceivable that everyone in the Saud family is eventually part of the line or that this line never runs out of members. How will we know a future King will need to decree a new line?

It should be rephrased as a possibility or perhaps even ignored. I recommend the latter since this sort of transition is likely to be chaotic and unpredictable just like dynasty changes have historically been. That's even assuming that the King in question properly plans for a new line to replace him. KarlHallowell 04:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Can we link this to Arabic Wikipedia?

I don't see a link to the Arabic Wikipedia for this. Is there an equivalent article there? Can somebody please link to it? - 07 November 2005


No, the Arabic encyclopedia is missing a lot, no, I mean a LOT of articles. As far as I know, there is no equivalent article. -- Eagleamn 03:52, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What is the Arabic?

Can someone please tell me what is the actual Arabic expression which is translated by the English "House of Saud"? (I can't read Arabic so I'd need to see the Latin-alphabet transliteration.) For that matter I think it would be good to add both of these to the article (actual Arabic expression + Latin-alphabet transliteration). Thanks - 07 November 2005

Currently there is no Arabic script in the article, but I think it should be "Al Saud آل سعود" -- Eagleamn 03:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks (original questioner here). I have no idea what I'm talking about, but AFAIK, "Al Saud" is "The Saud". The equivalent article in the Hebrew/Ivrit/עברית Wikpedia is " בית סעוד ", which as far as I can figure out (can't read Hebrew either) is "Beit Saud" -- "House Saud". I'm wondering whether the Arabic would be similar (since it's also a Semitic language). Unfortunately, Google doesn't seem to find anything similar to this expression. So ... Arabic uses "Al Saud", as you say, or is similar to Hebrew in this respect, or what? Thanks -- 08 November 200
Well, I have never used or heard the term "Beit Al Saud" or any literal translation of "House of X".. in any case, the term "al" refers to the "house of." It should be noted that "al" here is not the same as "the," used in other contexts (e.g. alketab = the book). -- Eagleamn 23:11, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks! (original questioner). -- 09 November 2005
There is a difference in Arabic between "السعود" (Al-saud or The saud) and "آل سعود" (Aal Saud or "Family" of Saud). There are a couple of small saudi failies who carry the name "السعود" (Al-saud or The saud), but only one "آل سعود" (Aal Saud or "Family" of Saud).
What about Banu Saud (Children of Saud) or Al-Saudun (the Sauds)? 63.224.227.186 02:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
"Banu Saud" and "Beit Saud" are both currect , but "Al Saud" is much more useful , arabic grammer is much more complex than what you expect. Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 22:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On the Corruption section

I believe this section is relevant to the article and seems placed in an appropriate section (or perhaps as a subsection of a new "Criticisms of the House of Saud" section). Some work needs to be done to make it NPOV, but I strongly disapprove of its outright removal. -- KarlHallowell 03:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] See Also Section: Links to House of Saudi protected and Saudi Air Force Paper Tiger

There is no reason for these two links to be included on this page. Nevermind the fact that the links are in the wrong section, but the content of the two pages - yes, I've read them - appear to have a strong biased slant. I am quite certain they do not belong here and am equally tempted to remove them but am waiting for someone else to agree less I do something disagreeable. Thoughts?Ultatri 16:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind. It appears that 71.231.234.227, the user who created the links has had a bit of a problem with inappropriate edits to a page (see here). And as the links do not contribute anything but bias and misinformation, I've went ahead and deleted them. To find the addresss for the external links in question as to judge for yourselves, if anyone feels inclined, visit edit history page [1] and [2]. Feel free to revert my deletes but I'm pretty sure the links do not belong. Ultatri 16:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Saudi-logo.jpg

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[edit] Clarification: House of Saud descended from Muhummad?

Just to be clear - the House of Saud is not descended from the prophet Muhummad or from his tribe, the Banu Quraish, correct? Just curious. --Brasswatchman 22:41, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

No , they belong to "Banu Wa'el" from Nejd. Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 03:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Ammar is correct. I'll try to add a section on their origins and their early history soon. -- Slacker 05:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
That'd be great. I look forward to reading it. Thank you both for the info. --Brasswatchman 21:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 25,000 Members

This number sounds terribly inflated. Does anyone else agree? Slacker 07:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree , thats an army. Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 08:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


I remember a very short television interview with Prince Talal bin Abdulaziz (he was standing up and wearing traditional Saudi clothes, I think it was on Kuwaiti TV but I am not sure) in response to a question, he specifically said "as of today Al-Saud number 5,163 members" or a number very close to that. I will try to find it and use it as a source. Najdazy 23:15, 5 May 2008 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Najdazy (talk • contribs)

[edit] UBL

In 1994, Osama bin Laden accused "the Crown Sultan" of supporting Yemen's revolt with the approval of Fahd. Is that a reference to Abdullah, or another? Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 21:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Queens and Princesses of the al Saud Family?

Why isn't there any mention of them in this article? What is known about them? Or was it there at some point and someone deleted it? --Dministrator (talk) 22:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

See the last line under the "Succession" section and the seventh line under the "Wealth" section. They're mostly active in business enterprises and don't hold any official government positions as far as I know. -- Slacker (talk) 23:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bin v. Ibn

Why are all the name references in incorrect grammar? "Ibn" is the form of "son of" that is only used when no name precedes it. "Bin" is the proper form when there is a preceding name. This is Arabic grammar 101. Has a choice been made to ignore it? The Frog (talk) 04:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)