Talk:House of Braganza
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[edit] Proposed merge
Hi, I think House of Braganza should be the surviving article, as in House of Windsor. Kaisershatner 13:53, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- A quick resume:
- Dukedom of Braganza: Title created by Afonso V of Portugal given to Afonso, Count of Barcelos
- Duchy of Braganza: The actual place of the duchy, in the north of Portugal. It is not relevant since the Dukes lived in Vila Viçosa, in southern Portugal, and I don't know of any privilleges they had in their estates.
- House of Bragaza: The house started with Afonso and still exists today. In 1640, with John, Duke of Braganza (future John IV of Portugal) the house of Braganza comes to power, becoming the...
- Royal House of Braganza: Since 1640 until 1910 it is the royal house of Portugal. In 1910 with the establishment of the republic it ceased to be the de facto house in power, but it is still today recognized as a Royal House by the majority of European royal houses.
- Imperial House of Braganza: A branch of the House of Braganza, that in 1822 split from the Royal House of Portugal with the independence of Brazil declared by Emperor Peter I of Brazil (Prince of Portugal, and thus of the Braganza family). The republic was declared during the 19th century, but (just like in Portugal) the Imperial House is still recognized by the majority of the other royal houses
- Duke of Braganza: Head of the House of Braganza from the beggining until 1640. From 1640 until 1910 it was used for the title of the heir to the throne together with Prince of Beira and Prince of Brazil. Today it is used by the current claimant to the throne Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza.
- Dynasty of Braganza: corresponds to the actual period between 1640 and 1910, when the House of Braganza was de facto in power in Portugal. It corresponds to the Portuguese 4th dynasty. Gameiro 17:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
This definetly appears to be the correct title. My understanding is that if a name exists in the English language, and is fairly common then that is prefered over the local name. I would suggest including the title in Portuguese as well in the introductory paragraph. Take a look at Portugal's first dynasty the House of Burgundy. It is spelled signficantly different in English than in Portuguese. Falphin 13:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- A quick google search reveals the current title with 12,000 results, and the other with 10,200. One suggestion is that in the Portuguese note, it should probably either be labeled as "Dinastia de Bragança"(the period) or "Casa de Bragança"(the ruling dynasty) of which the former appears to be much more popular on google. Falphin 14:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Braganza is the most widely used version in English, and there is no information appropriate for one article that is not appropriate for the other.Lethiere 11:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree that Braganza is the established version of the name in English. Therefore, please do not title any articles with Braganca, nor with those diacritical versions. Shilkanni 20:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- I can't really work out what has happened here, but I think we should change this back to House of Braganza?? Arniep 01:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
The requested merger has now been completed. The article is now Braganza Dynasty which is an acceptable name - but I do not oppose if people wish to move it to House of Braganza (since there already is a page with edit history, I was not able to move anything to its place, an admin would be needed). Shilkanni 01:50, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think it should be House of Braganza to keep it in line with all the other articles. Really I think you should have confirmed the consensus for a title name before moving. Arniep 13:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] D. Duarte
I have removed the section on D. Duarte pending citations. Just because some silly publicity whore's father was friends with Salazar and may or may not have had Manuel II (who was never a Duke of Bragança) sign something on a napkin which is now lost does not mean that he has any sort of claim to the title. In fact, he is no where near a legitimate claimant to the title, and all legal precedent works against his line having any claim to the throne. He is just a silly loon whose father Salazar happened to like, and who goes on TV whenever he can saying that he is the Duke. I can say the sky is neon green as much as I like, but that does not make it so. - Kyle543 22:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
