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Isn't there a reference in the books somewhere to the descent of the Artreides directly from the House of Atreus?

IIRC, the only explicit reference is in Children of Dune where Alia is plagued by her ancestral memories: at one point Agammemnon cries out to her. She ignores him and he is not further heard from. I have not, however, read either the Prelude to Dune or Legends of Dune prequel cycles. Ellsworth 20:48, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

in the preludes it is mentioned that the Atreides are descendants fo Atreus.

Additionally, now that the Machine Crusade series is out, it should be noted that the house actually descends from Vorian Atreides, the son of General Agamemnon, one of the disembodied brain Titans who fought for, with, and against Omnius. Agamemnon claimed lineage to the historical/mythic Agamemnon.--Vidkun 15:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Family Tree

In Dune the mother of Lady Jessica is unknown. The Reverend Mother Helen Gaius Mohiam states that she loves Jessica as if she were one of her own daughters, but this does not specify that Jessica is her daughter.

I have two points to make regarding the family tree. The first being that it is revealed in the Prequel House novels that Mohiam is is Jessica's birth mother. The second point being that Paul and Chani's first son, Leto II is left out. The Leto on the tree is Leto II the Second. It's an irregular naming scheme, but if you examine the antipopes of the Clementine line that that type of naming scheme is used.

IN CONNECTION with the discussion at the end of the preceding section here, there really should be TWO Agamemnons in the family tree: the first, mythicohistorical one who was the son of Atreus and fought at Troy, and the second, "Titan" one (cough cough). I don't have my files handy at the moment, but I believe the second's birth name was Andrew Skouros or something like that. I would recommend placing that name first in parentheses with Agamemnon—his later adopted name—underneath it in quotes. A small point, perhaps, but is there any reason not to make it? --SandChigger 10:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

This is correct. The Agamemnon from the books is not the son of Atreus. --Insane 03:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, but notice the dashed line between Atreus and Agamemnon. This is to signify that the Agamemnon in question is not the historical one, but rather a descendant along an unknown number of generations. --Insane 03:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, yes, I noticed the dashed line and understood its significance. I still think it would be clearer to include both. --SandChigger 09:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Weren't they also descended from Joan of Arc? I thought I remembered her being one of the ancestral voices that Alia heard in Children of Dune. Kuralyov (talk) 17:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Leto I½

The subject of the first and second sons of Paul Atreides is a bit unclear, and the first son doesn't appear on the family tree. I understand that when we speak about the God Emperor, he is the second person named 'Leto' to rule the House, thus 'Leto II', but how to explain about his elder brother without further confusing the matter? Cmdr. Maegil 02:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

How about including him with no number after his name, as simply "Leto"; maybe with a note: "(died in infancy)"?.

Strike that last bit; wrote it without having a look at the tree again first. His b&d dates should suffice to make the above clear. --SandChigger 02:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I added him into the tree, but can someone help with the dates? TAnthony 02:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the "II" (is he ever referred to thus in the novels?) and added "(10192?~10193?)" for his dates. Will have to do some rereading to pinpoint date of birth and death more exactly. (The timeline at Dune Novels isn't specific on this point.) --SandChigger 09:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Since the majority of the dates are A.G., why not add a note like "All dates are A.G. unless otherwise indicated"? --SandChigger 00:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)