Talk:Hounddog (film)

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Shouldn't it be noted that Hounddog is just a working title, and that the producers may or may not be able to use it because they haven't gotten the rights to Elvis music and stuff? -Unknown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.24.165.186 (talk) 28 December 2006

Elvis doesn't own the rights...it isn't his song nor did he write it!!!!! His is a cover!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.189 (talk) 30 December 2006

Contents 1 What the heck is this??? 2 Non-POV elements in article 3 Rumors Section 4 Rape scene controversy 5 Director quotes 6 Page move 7 Wrong date 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Hounddog poster.JPG

[edit] What the heck is this???

"Defenders of the production company were silent for two weeks when the controversy erupted, and now offer up this "cover up excuse," days later, as proof that they were, in fact, concerned about the propriety of wardrobe worn in this rape scene using the talents of a twelve year-old child. These same voices are silent about what Dakota was wearing when she filmed the mutual masturbation scene.

On January 18th, a film starring Dakota Fanning is set to debut at the Sundance Film Festival. "Hound Dog," filmed in North Carolina, is getting a lot of buzz because in this movie, 12 year-old Dakota Fanning acted out a rape scene, on camera, and in the script, was called upon to perform mutual masturbation with another actor, a scene which may or may not be in the final cut of the movie. Reports persist that the footage of the masturbation scene was conveniently destroyed. What we know for certain is that a professional movie crew was so outraged during filming of the rape scene that they walked off the set."

This was obviously written by someone with an agenda. The entire section should be removed and extensively re-written.

See "Rape scene controversy" below. --Uncle Ed 17:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non-POV elements in article

The non-neutral, prosecutorial tone about the studio's motivations in the rumours section can and has been mistaken as Wikipedia's voice as opposed to that of external sources. This part of the article should be removed and links with accompanying non-judgmental text provided. 70.109.178.254 04:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rumors Section

The whole entire rumors section either needs to be taken out or rewritten in an objective manner. The article reads like an attack.

I agree, and have marked the page as 'neutrality disputed' until this is re-written in a more objective manner.

(Richardcarroll1981 09:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC))

I have made a small addition regarding the controversy. I hope it is objective. The first source I cite is not my favorite, but it at least is factual. The second has less info but is also apparantly on the other side of the issue. Jmcachran 17:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

As the entire Rumors section has apparently been taken out, the original reason for the NPOV tag is gone. Therefore, I'm removing the NPOV tag. If anyone wants to reinsert it because they think the article is still NPOV, be sure to give a currently applicable reason here on the talk page. Thanks. 62.245.80.251 12:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rape scene controversy

The lady who wrote the rape scene (or had it written) insisted that rape is a "crucial, under-reported" "silenced" issue.

I meant the director, Deborah Kampmeier. --Uncle Ed 17:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Fox News reviewer Roger Friedman wrote, "There is no point that I can find to the child’s rape. Once it happens, it’s never discussed. The culprit is never accused or apprehended. The child never tells her story to anyone. There’s no great moment of revelation that could possibly help someone who’s watching the film. It’s simply there for shock value. The fact that Kampmeier and the producers have somehow conned rape-assistance groups into using the movie as a public-service announcement is bizarre to me." [1]

• The script requires the preteen actress to confront tougher challenges than Brooke Shields and Jodie Foster did when, at Fanning's age, they played child prostitutes. (NY Daily News)

• A editor who screened the film before Sundance said the rape scene, while disturbing, isn't graphic, with close-ups of Fanning's face, shoulder and part of a leg. [2]

Here are some quotes. I can't find the original lady's quote yet. --Uncle Ed 17:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

HAVE ANY OF YOU RETARDS ACTUALLY SEEN THE DAMN MOVIE? YOU SHOULD AT LEAST SEE IT BEFORE YOU JUDGE IT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordanphantom (talk • contribs) 17:12, 6 February 2007

Why does the word "appear" appear to appear three times in one sentence in the intro? "...Fanning to "appear" nude, to "appear" in nothing but underwear and to "appear" in what has been described as a rape scene. Could we clean this up and give it a better appearance? --71.243.18.146 23:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Director quotes

• The director insists the rape scene in the film was very carefully choreographed and filmed, so that Fanning was never harmed psychologically.
• She explains, "Exactly how I was going to film the rape scene was articulated quite specifically in the script, and her mother, her agent, and her teacher/child welfare worker were all present for the scene, which was carried out exactly as we discussed it.
• "I had to hide the fact that this girl is not naked. I had to hide the fact that there is not a boy on top of this girl having sex... I shot her face. I didn't shoot flesh against flesh... because I wanted to capture a soul going through this experience, not a body." [3] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ed Poor (talk • contribs) 17:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

This is the quote I was referring to:

• Kampmeier said it took her a decade to get the film made, largely because of the rape scene, but cutting it was a compromise she was unwilling to make. “This issue is so silenced in our society. There are a lot of women who are alone with this story,” she said.

Compare this to the Fox reviewer's point above. --Uncle Ed 17:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

Per Wikipedia naming conventions, the article is now Hounddog (2007 film). RadioKirk (u|t|c) 17:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I moved it back to Hounddog (film) because Wikipedia naming conventions states that pages should be disambiguated only when necessary. Since there isn't another movie called "Hounddog" with an article on Wikipedia there is no need to put the year in the title. Ospinad 18:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong date

The article says that the movie premieers on August 17—then why hasn't it come out yet? I think the date needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.181.52.152 (talk) 14:05, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Hounddog poster.JPG

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BetacommandBot 05:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)