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If anyone who reads this is an expert, or even amateur enthusiast of Egyptian mythology, please feel free to add information, and most especially to clarify the differences between the multiple kinds of Horuses. My source doesn't do a very good job of explaining in what way they are the same idea and my likening them to the Christian Trinity is essentially an educated guess. All I have is a stub under "Horus" and dozens of other entries that claim to be "another name" for Horus with widely varying descriptions. If you know more than me, be bold in updating this page. User:Tokerboy

[edit] What about Horus versus Seth?

Ok, it kind of has that. But a lot is is misssing. Like the reason Horus was fighting Seth (Seth killed his father, Osiris). Also, the bit where Horus is about to kill Seth but Isis, his mother and Seth's sister stops him. Oh, and after the only event in the section, Horus and Seth have a boat race. Horus makes his out of wood, and Seth makes is out of stone. Seth's boat sinks, so Horus becomes Pharaoh. So someone should FIX THIS!!! Tutthoth-Ankhre (talk) 21:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it...well sorta...feel free to fix it further and I think further citations for that would be useful as well. 79.233.72.250 (talk) 23:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

how about doing it yourself? everybody is free and welcome to make constructive edits to wiki... if you think something is missing -> add it yourself. regards SomeUsr | Talk Contribs 23:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I did. The boat race is now included. Tutthoth-Ankhre (talk) 14:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Horus = hours?

The following video talks about how the word hours comes from Horus. And a lot of other things about Egyptian mythology. Can anyone here verify that this is completely fake or actually meaningful? Since it is not on any of the pages in wikipedia that I can find. In my opinion, it seems like total shit of the bull. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aW2N46vf4Q Xilliah (talk) 10:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Our word 'hour' comes from the Greek hora meaning season and/or division of the day. It would nice to see a link with Egyptian words such as 'hrw' meaning day and so on but as far as I can see this a speculative and unproven. The name Horus means 'distant or far off one' and is a reference to his nature as a sky god i.e. he is not a sun god - although he was fused with Ra as RaHarakhti and so on. The video is a mess and manages to destroy its own basic and reasonable premise that there are parallels between some classical and pre-classical myths and stories about Jesus, by poor scholarship. For instance the term 'sun set' does not come from the god Set overcoming Horus and so on. However the idea that the winter solstice and thus Christmas as being significant is completely true and so is probably the borrowing of this date by Christians for the birth date of Jesus. Some of this amalgamation of pagan myth could have happened when Christianity was taken up by the Roman empire as its official religion. Much of Christian theology is also derived from Greek philosophy e.g. Plato, so the idea that Christian thought is somehow unique and pure is similarly wrong. I have seen convincing arguments that Christian thought came from Mahayana Buddhism which reached the Middle East via the Silk Route - so who knows. But as you say this video is largely bovine excrement. Apepch7 (talk) 06:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] God of life?

I always thought that Horus was a god of life. Is this true or not?

I have tried to do my best. ~~~~

NO, Isis, the wife of Osiris and mother of Horus is the god of life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.81.71 (talk) 20:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wicca

I have heard there is a connection between Horus and Wiccan beliefs. Is this true or a fabrication? If so, surely this should be documented here? AKismet 20:21, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I have never heard or read that anywhere. It's a fabrication IMO. UserDoe 23:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)UserDoe

There is no relation to Wicca. However there are links to paganism seeing as Khemitians(Egyptian pagans) are pagan. Eternalsiara 22:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It could be that it is the vandalism? Gnostics (talk) 05:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eye of Horus

My sources are potentially quite unreliable, but I have for years been under the impression that it was Horus' left eye that represented the moon, and his right eye was the sun. Is this incorrect?

You're quite right about the eyes, Sun and Moon; this is a well-known Ancient Egyptian myth. Actually, this myth or one quite close to it appears in several mythologies.

Urhixidur 18:39, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I was just confused, because the article said Horus' right eye was the moon. I imagine it would tend to vary from story to story, but I guess it's kind of bugging me a little...

Its the eye which became the Eye of Horus that was the sun, youll have to check that article - the drawing of it is very stylistic so its easy to see whether its the left or right eye.

As for the wiccan connection, if it does exist then it will most likely be down to the modern founder of wiccan belief - Gerald Gardner or Aleister Crowley --Victim of signature fascism 20:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

It would be nice if the authors of this article cited the sources from which the content was drawn. --Sapphire Wyvern 10:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Virgin birth is not immaculate

see : Immaculate Conception - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

" This article refers to the dogma of the immaculate conception of Mary, Mother of Jesus. For the doctrine of the virginal conception of Jesus Christ, see Incarnation (Christianity) and Virgin Birth (Christian doctrine). The Immaculate Conception is a Roman Catholic dogma that asserts that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was preserved by God from the stain of original sin at the time of her own conception. Specifically, the dogma says she was not afflicted by the lack of sanctifying grace that afflicts mankind, but was instead filled with grace by God, and furthermore lived a life completely free from sin. It is commonly confused with the doctrine of the incarnation and virgin birth, though the two deal with separate subjects." --193.56.241.75 08:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I added a section on how he was conceived. His mother had sex with Osiris after he died. She had ot make a fake penis to do so. You can read it in a book. VegSXEBassist 21:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Source validity

My apologies if I mess anything up - I'm still learning how to use this. I question the validity of the "Naked Truth" video in that particular section of this article. Unless I'm mistaken, the video implies that early humans were contemporaries with dinosaurs and puts forth a suspicious etymology of the word "amen," which contradicts Wikipedia's amen article. I will look for better sources, but perhaps the author of that edit can defend the video in question. I prefer not to edit the article myself until I get more comfortable using Wikipedia and can provide replacement sources. Mld 16:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)mld

[edit] Can anyone clarify further any references....

Hi,

The validity of the beginning of the article is not only questionable but rather absurd. Horus is NOT the son or even the suspected son of Hathor. He is the son o Osiris on his wife Isis after his death. Some of the confusion here can be attributed to Hathor being associated with Nephysis, who was Isis' twin sister, but there is no question of his being the son os Isis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eternalsiara (talk • contribs) 22:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Actiually, Horus was considered be the son of Ra and Hathor in the early history of Egypt, becoming the son of Osiris and Isis in later times. Personaly, I use the latter mythology. Tutthoth-Ankhre (talk) 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possible opinion that should be removed?

'Serious scholars do not question the historicity of Jesus Christ'? That sounds like an opinion to me... 216.86.104.31 01:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

The "citation neeeded" tag is on there, and that whole section has problems. We'll sort it out eventually. --King Bee 12:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

In the end, there is historical evidence that a Jew named Jesus of Nazereth actually lived and existed [...]

Is this a joke ? Who wrote this piece of POV ? Plus, it has nothing to do here. This section is only comparing the similitudes between Horus and Jesus. Its not about the historicity of Jesus. If nobody objects, I will delete it later. -- Squallgreg 04:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the Jesus and Horus section needs to be rewritten to make Horus the subject, and remove any dubious claims about other gods. I will make a start --Herne nz 08:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It is reveiling that this section contains the only citations, yet is marked as unreliable. Every christian scholar should be able to set their faith aside for intellectual debate, without feeling that faith is threatened.

[edit] Additions to Origin and family relations

http://touregypt.net/godsofegypt/horus.htm

I have always been under the impression that Ra was the original father of Horus and then it was changed to Osiris, not the other way around. Also has anyone heard of the origin of the idea of horus, "The worship of Horus was brought from the outside by neighboring tribes who invaded and then settled into Egypt. He was their god of war, but was quickly absorbed into the state religion, first as a son of Ra, then changing to become the son of Osiris." This is how i have always understood it; however I only have the above source to validate it. Let me know if you think it should be added or if it has merit.

Horus has always been and will likely always be the son of Isis and Osiris. The family history is a little confusing though. But here it is. Isis and Nephysis were twin sisters. Osiris and Set were brothers. Isis married Osiris. Nephysis married Set. One day Nephysis got the bright idea to dress up as her sister and sleep with Osiris. This consequently led to Set murdering and dismembering Osiris. Isis (helped by Nephysis) then gathered up the peices and reconstituted Osiris who came back to life for a short time, during that time Horus was conceived on Isis. Some confusion about the origins came from Nephysis being identified with both Hathor(in her form of the destroyer) and the Hindu Kali(also a goddess of destruction). However if one is true to the original Khemitian religion (yours truly) this is the oldest lore of the birth of Horus

Eternalsiara 22:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why?

I was wondering... Why is Horus so important to the egyptians and their religion?--67.81.70.107 02:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Answer as soon as posible!! (^_^)

This are only my suggestions, but this can be true: there is Slovian God Chorus (spelled Horus) [also named: Chors, Choros, Chrs], he is God of Moon. Maybe this is the same god and it would answer your question: the Moon is very important in every culture. Of course I don't have any proof that it have any connections, but it is quite interesting. AC4 11:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

He was really important to all of them he was a cult figure. VegSXEBassist 21:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Horus is the god of flight, such as birds of feather, a scaley creature. I don't know that this can be verified, but, Athena once desired to know what it was like to see down upon the Earth from the Heavens and a raven came from Persia and told her to look into his eyes and that she would "know." The raven then pecked Her eyes out.216.215.40.1 01:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Whether you would believe it or not, the Sky has already been ripped from the Earth and there has been a repair job. Nuclear explosions do such things (not the repair job). Either Horus is attempting to reinstate his position or is attempting to usurp another, whether justly or not. Merely air (and possibly only as high as a bird can fly) and not outerspace, unless he is a scavenger; then he "would" be from outerspace (although he may have once left the Earth when it became a ruins). It comes to mind that he may be on a mission to destroy a woman Eternally at the request of a family. By the way, Egypt is said by a Silesian to have been the first to detonate a nuclear device on the Earth, I suppose in the Sahara Desert. They got in "BIG TROUBLE," why not the same for the USA? 216.215.40.1 22:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

;) except the part about destroying women (wrong) :P . 208.64.140.248 01:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Horus once told Set(h) that he must kill Osiris so that . . . . Horus in another Being may have been a "bloodhound" upon a woman's existence. 216.215.40.65 07:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Would anyone like to comment on the fact that Ra and Horus are seperate entities and that the "eye" bit on Horus does not sit too well with Ra, the (G)god residing in the Sun? Does Horus claim to control the Sun and Moon? That would not sit too well with Ra. Ra doesn't want me to tell you much about him. Gnostics 21:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Horus is important because he was the king of pharaohs. In fact, pharaohs were sometimes said to be him. Tutthoth-Ankhre (talk) 15:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Where is this information coming from?

There aren't any reference to ancient texts at all. Where does our information about Horus come from.

One text I can think of is the Egyptian Book of the Dead Ty27 01:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] there is no god horus!!!!

Horus in the modern meaning is a completely fabricated story trying to remove Ra ( Rea, Rah) from egyptian legend peice by peice. Horus is someones attemp to take the name Ore-az and change it into there own name for personal gain. Your talking about egypt for christs sake people everthing male is ra the sun god no one else. Ore-az means O=light of the moon of Re as in a spelling of ra put the two together you get "light of the moon of ra"(while ra is the sun god the moon is the wife or in some belifes the mother of the immaculatly concived son god ra or as spelled in this case Re. Az is light of the fater "Set". You put the all together And you have light of the moon of ra light of the father set. Its egypt for christ sake people It deals with the sun and light allot. Ore-az known to the greeks as hamin (kingdom) AT ( of the sons) Ore (light of the moon of ra) the minataur. The utilization of the O in such fashion is a common trait in theses days and ages. Just because you know some named O somthing or somthing O something or even have ore in their name doesn't mean they are horace. example connan o'brian. O is logically a gender nuetral not necisarally male or female just an identified for children however in Ore-az's case it it clearly stated that the child was a male son of the father "set"'s light. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.14.131.109 (talk) 08:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

would the person who is giving information to this site please leave the website on this page

i left that information on this site. What does "leave the website on this page" mean? Are you asking me to leave the disscution? Or do you want me to leave some websites address?

yep, leave some website addresses, or references to books.

well I probbible could go and get a publisher to publish my "Malarky" and then everyone would believe it as FACT! But well your talking about my ancestors and my family like were some sort of a fighting and a fueding hillbillies. Just the Most basic understanding of light lingo and what egypt is are the real references to my statments. We live still today people their are millions and millions of us MAYBE you should have a bit more crittical eye towards your so called experts. Besides this is a disscusion page! Oh were everywhere people so are the accients of so many other civilizations did you ever stop to look at the people in the world around you. Oh the bible also contains great information about many acient civilizations including egypt, cleansing yourself of the modern influenced cultural biasese and reapproaching the bible anew can yeild great benifit "touch no thing unclean and I shall recieve you" it says that some where in the bible.

[edit] Comparison with Jesus

From the comments above, I get the impression that there was a much bigger section comparing Horus and Jesus earlier on. I think it would be good to have one. I stumbled over this page searching for something completely different. If the comparison on that page is valid to some degree, it should be mentioned. If it is not, I assume that other pages anyhow refer to it, so it would be worth it to contradict it. Mlewan 19:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The comparisons between Jesus & Horus are completely false, it's just an internet myth. --TotesBoats 04:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

If Jesus beeing a recycled Horus is an internetmyth, I'd like to see some references that busts it, rather than just deleting the statements. I did not read "Book of Vivifying the Soul Forever", but that is what people say they get their J vs H info. --83.249.118.113 21:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I would also like to see more on this. If the comparisons are accurate and true, this ought to be front page news. KRhodesian 05:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)KRhodesian

I concur. If there's reasons to bust this internet myth, then let's do it. It's important to make a note of this misconception, if it is a misconception.213.123.174.203 13:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

First off, I am not a Christian. I did some research and pretty much figured out that this and the other claims of the similarity to Jesus are more than myths, most of them are out right lies or trying to deceive or mislead intentionally. Like Mythra was born from a rock, this was called a virgin birth by Zeitgeist but it never said what it was; Mythra was just listed as having a virgin birth rather than saying how he was born. Other claims like Attis being resurrected was misleading, Attis came back to life as a tree. I did a whole paper on this in class and found out it's a bunch of lies. We should start a page on it I will have things back up what I say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by VegSXEBassist (talk • contribs) 21:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we can add a link to Jesus_Christ_in_comparative_mythology#Egypt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.131.16.106 (talk) 20:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

 I think jesus is actually jaseas.  which would mean son of the light of the mother and father

Jews deal with the light to. I mean christ was imaculately concived, but then again christ was born unto the house of david, the house of the jewish kings. even the bible says god had more than one sun in genasis near the story of the tower of babel. some thing about it was way back in the days when the sons of god married the daughters of man. The jews are supposed to keep record of spiritual events and history priests they are really jew might be an inaproprieat word and christ was born unto them and walks amongs the people just as he did john, andrew, peter, paul, and the rest.

[edit] Etymology

The Zeitgeist Movie^[1] says that Horizon is a contraction of Horus-is-risen. Is there anything in this or are they talking crap?

Straussian 14:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I think they're talking crap. OED says: ORIGIN late Middle English : via Old French from late Latin horizon, from Greek horizōn (kuklos) ‘limiting (circle).’

I have a different question about the etymology. Wiki seems to have two conflicting statements: 1) Horus is recorded in Egyptian hieroglyphs as ḥr.w and is reconstructed to have been pronounced *Ḥāru, meaning "Falcon". 2) Since he was god of the sky, Horus became depicted as a falcon, or as a falcon-headed man, leading to Horus' name, (in Egyptian, Heru), which meant The distant one. Bueller 007 10:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The oreaz ledgend is based around the bird also not just the falcon. The egyptians are very anthropamorphic. The association of a common link between animal and egyptian. Some people have skulls and noses that resemble one or another kind of bird or animal. modern day archealogist have for some reason fixated about the falcon, probbible due to their own feelings of similarity however the falcon is not the only reviered bird in egypt or the oreaz mystic.

I have been lead to belive that Ha is associatibe with bird, sky or flight. Haru would be a falcon, and haro would be a "generic" collective of {Bird,sky, flight}-{Rea}as in Ra-{light of the moon} as in O.--207.14.131.183 23:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

I'm not trying to be picky here, but the grammar and diction of this article are completely off. The opening paragraph repeats itself insanely, particularly in the use of "important". We all understand that Horus is important, but I would suggest a re-write to make this article a bit more like an encyclopedia than a 10th grader's oral report. 64.246.144.52 22:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)MaytrixInk

Not only is the grammar poor the content is unconvincing and the article needs a complete edit. Apepch7 17:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Main illustration

The article has a picture of Horus with no caption - it looks like it might be the Papyrus of Ani - anyone know - if so could you add a title to the pic?Apepch7 17:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

If it is the topmost picture in the article to which you refer, this is indeed from the Papyrus of Ani. However, the caption now present incorrectly states that it is of Horus and Isis. It is in fact Horus and Ani, with Horus presenting Ani to Osiris after the weighing of Ani's heart. 76.103.209.31 07:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inconsticency in article

Hey, I was just reading this, and i realized that near the top, the article calls Horus the patron god of lower egypt, and set of upper. Further down, however, it switches the two. Not sure which is true, but if anyone knows, they should change that --Estrill5766 02:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Horus was traditionally Lower Egypt and Set Upper because their respective places of worship (Chemmis and Kom Ombos) but in late period because of the association of the Hykssos with Set, this god was sometimes placed in the delta where Avaris their capital was. The article is full of misleading and inaccurate information so this particular contradiction is nothing special.Apepch7 14:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and change it then if no one minds. --Estrill5766 16:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of djeba (justification for delete)

The DbA "perch" is not the same as Dba "finger" (though both can be confused via the non-technical transcription djeba).Â The A and a are two different phonemes, and the hieroglyphic writing of the words is distinct.Â

DbAwty or DbAwti is not a plural.Â DbAwtyw with the plural ending .w would be a plural; the previous w is not the plural ending.Â The author of the article may be confused by the fact that for feminine plurals, the plural w precedes the feminine t.Â -wty can be found in words such as wpwty/ipwty "messenger," aHAwty "warrior" (later "male"), kAwty "workman."Â (advice received via glyphdoctors)Apepch7 14:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jesus and Horus

I recently saw that Jesus' life and Horus' life are virtually identical, but having read that wiki article I can't find out much about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.15.180 (talk) 07:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I came here to confirm that info aswell, Basicly what I wanted to know is: Is it true that at any point in the story of Horus he is said to have been born on Dec 25th (or the egyptian equivelant), that Isis was a virgin, that his birth was announced by a star in the east, that he was visited by 3 kings, that he was a teacher at age 12, that he was baptised at 30, that he has 12 followers, that he performed miracles, that he was crucified, and that he was then ressurected after 3 days. This info will be touchy. Christians ill venomously deny it and conspiracy theorist (for lack of a better term) will venomously adhere to it. I really just want the facts.--Matt D 16:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I personally have never heard that before. The only source (of which I know) claiming that there are similarities between both myths, is the "Zeitgeist" movie. But that is just a movie, we can't base an article or a part of an article on one single movie. We need credible proper evidence that this was indeed the case. BTW.: The "crucified" part can't add up with the facts, since the ancient Egyptian people had a complete different believe system. It had nothing to do with Christianity. Their believe system was based on multiple deities. UserDoe 17:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The Coptic Church takes the stance that they are similar, but not nearly that similar. The role of Horus is where it is similar, not the birthday (which doesn't match Jesus' birthday anyways, December 25 has nothign to do with Jesus). KV(Talk) 15:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I have seen the article change to adapt to the claims of Zeitgeist, as I wrote at the end of the discussion in "need for protection". I seriously consider the article needs to be protected. Many people who try to check up the data in the Zeitgeist movie do so by a wikipedia search. And the very first thing they check is about Horus. This article has great chances of being vandalized: the one in the Spanish wikipedia already has been. Would you consider protecting it?

Sparrowhawke 11:11, 25 April 2008 (GTM + 1)

Oh trust me, I'm absolutly not implying that anytime someone sees something on youtube they should add the information here. I was simply saying that I came here to check if any of this was based on fact. Some of it seemed a little off too me (mostly because of the crcifiction) and typically before I would put something in my brain and accept it I would want to double check. All I really was saying is that maybe people could keep their eyes open for any confirming or debunking facts that may be out there. I beleive the article should maintain its primary focus and this info should only be added where it will fit. Oh and you don't have to tell me about jesus and dec 25, I have JW relatives, I've been told. Thanx--Matt D 13:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thomas Harpur's 'The Pagan Christ' can provide insight to this, by the way. -EarthRise33 23:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I've just started reading that book. so far it seems to support the idea that The story of jesus was lifted from egyptian myths. Though I still have a lot of reading to go is it possible that this book could be seen as a valid referance? What about this concept getting it's own article if it doesn't fit anywhere else?--Matt D (talk) 18:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it actually seems that this book is the source for the Zeitgeist movie, plus I've read a lot of negative reviews of the book. So it probably wouldn't serve as a good source. -sigh- I guess I'm not the first person to want to know the truth about christianity.--Matt D (talk) 22:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to say that the Zeitgeist movie seems like it originated from The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold since that is also the title of part 1 in the movie, it talks about other gods, and etc. Axecution (talk) 03:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

That is not the common conception of where Christianity comes from, so no matter what, it is an invalid source. One thing I have learned about Wikipedia in my time here, especially when it involves Christianity, is that it does not matter how accredited your source is, how poor conflicting sources are, if it disagrees with the common conceptions, it will be removed. I have seen this in a Christianity based debate where I brought forth first a similar source, then PhDs in History and Religion in a College textbook, and a specifically Christian source, all revolving around the Council of Nicaea and the origin of "heresy." With admins involved and mediation processes, it still came down to his claim of "I know the truth" (involving in part the number of bishops attending) overruled my sources. KV(Talk) 18:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I get that. It seems to be the catch 22 of NPOV. Anything that goes against a commonly held misconception, specifically in a contoversial area like religion, no matter how factual it may be, by default, becomes a non NPOV. I wonder how the solve problems like this on conservipedia?--Matt D (talk) 14:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Immaculate conceptions happen all the time (relativistically) in the Solar diety structure of the mediteranian. Hercules, very close to immaculate, by Zeus, Romulus and Remus by Mars, Horeaz by Set/Rea, but Christ is remebered for the reasons Christ is remembered. Would christ be another immaculate conseption remembered by the nation of priests as opposed to lifted by them from the egyptians. In my opinion both Greek and Roman mythos deal with the "pagan" children of the solar diety in god forms themselves.--207.14.129.51 (talk) 12:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

well most of the sources of info on the internet about Horus are so short and only talk about his story from one time period in Egypt the story of Horus if you read any long texts on his life it changes a lot based on who ruled Egypt at the time and who Egypt ruled also the story has been changed to him being the son of ra, osiris and himself actually being his own father which was a very strange concept and hard to except for many people of the time in Egypt ive read some texts on horus and ive found that the storys mainly suport the claim that the story of jesus is quite similar to horus i bet if i read more on the subject that i would find even more similarity's —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.237.249.120 (talk) 19:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Horus is one of the most ancient gods of Egypt. He name means 'he who is distant' i.e. high in the sky. As a falcon he is associate with both the sky and sharp eyesight. One form of Horus (of which there were many) was conceived magically after the death of his father Osiris. His mother Isis hovered over the corpse of Osiris and by magic became pregnant. He grows up and fights his uncle Set to get the crown of Egypt from him, as Horus is the rightful claimant being Osiris's son. So Horus is linked to kingship. Some forms of Horus become linked with the sun god Ra, for instance Ra-Harakhty - lit. 'Ra-Horus in the double horizon'. The idea that Osiris is his own father comes from 'Ds-f' meaning self created and a number of other expression which are used to indicate the 'creator' function which obviously has no parentage. Osiris is thought of as the son of Nut and Geb, the sky and earth in the Heliopolitan Ennead. Someone tell me how any of this is like Jesus? Where is the connection apart from the the statues of Isis suckling Horus which was borrowed by Christians for the virgin Mary. Apepch7 (talk) 15:37, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Whore or Horus

I changed this: By Coptic times, the name became Whore. to read By Coptic times, the name became Horus. I may be wrong, but that doesn't look right with "Whore". Is it supposed to be Horus? --Minatonkka 22:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it is supposed to be "Hor" rather than "Whore" but I don't have the specific reference. Horus is the greek version, but I'll tag as [citation needed] until someone can find a ref for that specific fact. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 22:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

It used to be Hōr not Whore. This was old vandalism conducted by Skullduggery Pleasent see diff. I therefore removed the fact tag. Regards User Doe _☻T ^☼C 01:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Horus is more a Kin to Chaos than to the Sun and Moon

Gnostics (talk) 06:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Then find some credible sources that state that and cite them. KV(Talk) 19:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Separate Entities

If anyone has the time, (I have many other articles I'm building up), could someone distinguish between Horus the Elder and Horus the Younger? 19:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, they are not separate entities. Horus the Elder and Horus the Younger are just two separations for different age stages or abilities of the same Entity. 79.233.121.11 (talk) 23:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I was actually planning on doing that tonight. I was going to use Budge mainly, but if you have links to those articles, feel free to post it on my talk page. KV(Talk) 12:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need for protection.

Since the publication of a film called "Zeitgeist", which includes certain claims about Horus, I have seen this article change, with the inclusion of data (specially about Horus being the son of a virgin) which would coincide with the claims of the movie. For example, the text under the image of the Temple of Luxor was different here than it was in the article about Ra. It is true that the Sun god Ra was son of a virgin goddess, and it is perfectly right to mention that Horus and Ra were fused at a certain point in the mythology. But in the text, the sentence is: "The form of Ra at this point was Ra-Amun, who was becoming identified as Horus", with Horus bolded, to stress his presence in the illustration. First problem: the text about this picture in the Horus article is way too different from the text in the article about Ra. It is incoherent. Second problem: there is no source to the image. We all can see the image pretty well, but we don't know from which source the hyerogliphycs were translated. It is sourced as "Temple of Luxor", but who translated the words? Shouldn't those claims be backed by a source? All this makes me think this page is possibly going to be edited constantly, because when someone wants to check out the data provided by "Zeitgeist", the very first thing they do is check out about Horus, so the very first thing that is going to be re-written is this article. As an extremely heated debate on the subject is being held now, I would seriously consider to protect the aticle. But I would like to read other people's opinions about this. Sparrowhawke 20:21, 22 April 2008.

[edit] Cleanup and rewrite underway

I'm currently rewriting the article.79.233.121.11 (talk) 23:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

allow me to help ya' here...cuz' it REALLY was a mess (content consisted only of the the research of one single person...which was more or less just a summary of a movie or book...sry but that's NOT a article about the ancient egyptian entity called horus)...btw: welcome to wiki...how about creating a account? SomeUsr | Talk Contribs 14:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm done for now. Was faster than I thought. 79.233.78.81 (talk) 15:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

hm, ok...looks nicer the way it is now. SomeUsr | Talk Contribs 17:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)