Talk:Hornchurch

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[edit] WW2

Oops, I didn't mean to remove the WW2 info... Thanks for putting it back :) Lezek

[edit] Oxford?

The history section says: "The lands were then given to Lord Chancellor William Wykeham who made major renovations to the church. He subsequently gave Hornchurch to Oxford". Does this mean Oxford University? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 47.251.0.13 (talk • contribs) .

Yes - and that's the manor itself - so, the university would receive income from the manor. The vicarage would also be paid for, and in the gift of a college of the university. VCH has which one. Kbthompson (talk) 10:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

New College, Oxford Kbthompson (talk) 10:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image

This image on the Hornchurch page has a picture of a Scottish flag in the background, which is confusing

That would be because the Scots also adopted the flag of St Andrew - to whom the church is dedicated ... Kbthompson (talk) 09:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ho'church/Hornchurch

Thanks for this addition, however, to my mind it seems a little dubious.

1. This derivation of the name doesn't appear in Brit History online. (Victoria History of the County of Essex - that would be the official history).
2. The mother church, of the priory is also described as Monasterium Cornutum ie church with horns (Hornchurch: Religious history, A History of the County of Essex: Volume 7 (1978), pp. 46-51). Seems a little pre sentient to adopt a name, recorded here by 1163, to a story about a woman who lived 1348-1400
3. From VCH, On the eastern gable of the chancel is the carved stone head of a Highland bull with hollow copper horns. It was first mentioned in 1824, though 'points of lead fashioned like horns', apparently in the same position, can be traced back to 1610. The place-name 'Horned church' occurs by the 13th century. The church may have had horn-like gables, or have been surmounted by features resembling horns, possibly associated with the local leather industry. When the horns became associated with a bull is not known. A bull's head appears on the seal of the prior of Hornchurch in 1384–5, and by 1719 New College was providing an annual feast of 'bull and brawn.

To summarise, the Latin version occurred prior to the 12th century, version of the Anglicised name by the 13th - the story about the woman, not before the 14th. So, unlikely, then. No matter, that it appears to be ref'd to 19th century directories and believed by the local council ... Kbthompson (talk) 09:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Rephrased to make clear it is unlikely. Not sure it is worthy of inclusion - unless the fable can be predated to before the adoption of Hornchurch - ie foundation of the monastery. Kbthompson (talk) 09:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)