Talk:Hornbeck, Louisiana

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[edit] I'm from Hornbeck

My name is CR Carter and as a life long resident of Hornbeck, Louisiana, I can attest to the fact that there aren't any blacks living in Hornbeck or in the area immediately surrounding the town. The information in the article about the population makeup is incorrect concerning blacks in town.

Sorry, your personal observations or feelings on the matter don't overrule the data from the Census Bureau which is verifiable. See WP:VERIFY. VerruckteDan 21:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

This isn't a view its a fact. I live in this town, I know the surrounding area better than you. I will continue to edit this article according to what I know to be fact. Avazina 22:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

What you know to be a fact is different from what can be verified as a fact, and that part of the 5 pillars of Wikipedia. Facts must be verified, and the Census data stating the percentage of African Americans is a verifiable fact. Therefore, it should not be removed in favor of an unverifiable fact. I ask that you do not remove the statement again per WP:3RR. VerruckteDan 22:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I know my town and I will continue to edit the article pertaining to it. Also, I will supply any appropriate information about Hornbeck.Avazina 23:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Knowing your town is not a reason to remove a cited and verifiable fact without providing any evidence that counters the statement beyond a personal knowledge. Your continued removal of this statement leaves me with no choose but to involve an administrator. VerruckteDan 00:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

It is reason enough. However, I have edited the sentence to be non-specific about the racial of minorities in Town. This is my COMPROMISE suggestion.Avazina 00:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Removing the demographic breakdown of the Census data, content that is in all city/town/etc articles, is not a good solution to this problem. The solution would be to provide a source to validate your claim that no African Americans live in Hornbeck. VerruckteDan 00:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes it is. Look I'm trying to meet you halfway here and reach a compromise, but you're not willing to give some. The wording as I have done it is a good compromise, I'll even add the Census specific link should someone wish to check out the details as the Census Bureau claims them to be. Avazina 00:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

A compromise should not be to remove facts from an article. You have not offered a source to support your statement other than your own knowledge, which is not sufficient for Wikipedia. A compromise would be more appropriate if you presented a source that states different facts. But without that, you assertion and removal of the demographic information is baseless. All I am asking for is for a verifiable source to support your edit. Plain and simple, otherwise I will restore the Census data. VerruckteDan 00:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I have been active in Wikipedia long enough to know that compromises are infact reached this way.Avazina 00:35, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Then you should also be aware of the need to provide sources. VerruckteDan 00:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Here is the sentence as I re-worded it with appropriate reference link to the Census Bureau's website: "The racial makeup of the town was largely 94.02% White, with several races comprising the remaining 5.98%." Changing a sentence to for compromise proposals such as the one in question is common in Wikipedia. Avazina 00:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand why you believe that your personal knowledge trumps verifiable Census data. I understand that you live there but the threshhold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. What purpose does it serve to make this article more inexact when we can be precise? --ElKevbo 00:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Original research is always trumped by verifiable sources, and the United States Census Bureau qualifies. If no blacks live there now, that doesn't mean they weren't there in 2000, which is when the census was performed; small towns don't get updates until the next census - and unless you've conducted a census of the town, perhaps you just don't know. Please stop replacing or altering sourced information to match your own view, factual though they may be, the USCB trumps you. --Golbez 00:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Another thing - if there's no blacks now, then why do you say the population of whites is the same? You're altering one race without altering any other. In other words, you're fudging the data. --Golbez 00:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

There are hispanics, and asians, that isn't indispute. Avazina 01:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

So a Hispanic and an Asian moved in for every Black that left? If not, then why do you insist on maintaining that (what you claim to be) incorrect percentage of non-whites? --Golbez 01:09, 8 July 2007 (UTC)