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[edit] School type/religious affiliation
The religious affiliation or designation as "non-sectarian" is not so clear cut. For example, Duke University describes its ties with Methodism as "formal, on-going, and symbolic" [1] while Wake Forest University maintains "a dedication to the values rooted in its Baptist heritage" [2]. Both schools can be considered "non-sectarian" in that they are no longer under the direct auspices of their founding religious organizations. Likewise, Boston College maintains its Jesuit identity in spite of the fact that it severed its formal ties with the Jesuit Order (and thereby the Catholic Church) in the 1960s when it was independently incorporated under a lay board of trustees. Unlike the Catholic University of America, which is under the direct auspices of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, or the University of Notre Dame, which is governed by "fellows" who must be priests of the Congregation of Holy Cross, The Trustees of Boston College (BC's governing body) operate independent of any religious jurisdiction. This arrangement is probably similar to that at Duke or Wake Forest, except that the BC trustees have voluntarily chosen to elect members of the founding religious organization to the presidency (though they are not required to do so). In fact, similar arrangements exist at other Jesuit colleges and universities, where both women and non-clerics have been elected to presidency (most recently at Georgetown University). All of this is to say that I think the nature of a school's religious affiliation is beyond the scope of this article, and that "public" or "private" suffice in the context of the members table. --24.63.125.78 10:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
- 24.63.125.78 has coppied and pasted this on almost every college conference discussion board. Please refer to Talk:Atlantic Coast Conference so we can keep all the discussion in one place. Thanks. -- Masonpatriot
[edit] Here's an impressive statistic...
Over the last four NCAA men's basketball tournaments (2003-2006), 26 Big Ten teams have beaten a total of seven teams seeded sixth or higher (effectively the equivalent of top 25 teams), while five Horizon League schools - Milwaukee three times, Butler and Chicago - have beaten a total of five teams seeded sixth or higher. The Horizon League's total is sixth among all leagues, the Big Ten's is fifth.
[edit] Milwaukee
- Since 2005 the school has been actively marketing itself as "Milwaukee." Many locals still call it UWM, and ESPN/CBS still call the school "Wisconsin-Milwaukee." But the school has made an effort to drop the "Wisconsin" in promoting athletics. The new logo shows "MILWAUKEE PANTHERS" while making "University of Wisconsin" in very small print, and the athletics website [3] even calls the team simply "Milwaukee Panthers" or just "Milwaukee" with out the UW part. (I am alumnus of UWM) — Linnwood 19:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Further edits on this matter are now considered vandalsim. Both myself and Jjjsixsix have reverted this several times and left notes in the edit summaries. I also left a note on TimBoyee's talk page which he ignored. At no point in time has the University of Wisconsin — Milwaukee ever called it self "Wisconsin-Milwaukee." Only CBS and ESPN call the school that. The school in the past has gone by "UW-Milwaukee" and "UWM." As I have stated before, for the purpose of promoting athletics the school actively marketing itself as "Milwaukee" only. The school is attempting to move out of the shadow of the University of Wisconsin-Madison and become a larger school. To that point there was a recent effort to rename the school outright (new names being voted on are "University of Milwaukee" or "Wisconsin State University") See here for more info. — Linnwood 19:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Logo Removal
Ed, you are acting unilaterally in your interpretation of policy yet again. There is no consensus in support of the actions you are taking. You are well aware of the ongoing discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Logos#Clarification_on_use_of_sports_team_logos. Johntex\talk 16:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Conference Affiliation
I couldn't help notice, but Cleveland State is listed twice as making it to the Sweet 16 in 1986. While this is true, CSU did not join the Horizon League until 1994. I am not sure if they should be listed, but it should probably contain a note.--Fbdave 00:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
- That is indeed an error in the table I made when putting it together. The table should only contain accomplishments of teams that were current members of the conference at that time. Thanks for pointing it out, I'm going to fix it right now! - CollegeSportsGuy 07:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Milwaukee and Green Bay
There have been a lot of changes regarding the names of the two Wisconsin schools. The media guide for the Green Bay school says that the teams should be referred to as Green Bay. However, I can't find anything on the Milwaukee school. Their athletics website refers to them as Milwaukee, Wisconsin-Milwaukee and UW-Milwaukee. Fbdave (talk) 22:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- It appears both schools are now only going by their primary athletics monikers (shown on all their team uniforms in all sports): "Green Bay" and "Milwaukee". The Horizon League website has apparently also been updated to show this: http://horizonleague.cstv.com/index-main.html
- I also found this in the Official Horizon League Logo and Branding Guide: http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/hori/genrel/auto_pdf/07_brand_id_guide.pdf
- "Preferred Athletics References: Milwaukee, UWM"
- "Acceptable Usage: UW-Milwaukee"
- "Unacceptable Name Usage: Wisconsin-Milwaukee"
- So I'm not sure who UWMsports is, but he sure doesn't look like he is who he says he is given his edit history... 72.131.6.166 (talk) 13:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Historic section
The Historic section is parimarily about the history of the teams in the Horizon League, rather than the history of the league itself. For example, Valpo's 1998 Sweet Sixteen appearance, Loyola's NCAA tournament championship, and Butler's national championships all occurred before these teams joined the League (in fact, mostly before the League even existed). I'm not sure yet how to clean this up. Jpers36 (talk) 21:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
