Talk:Horace Walpole, 4th Earl of Orford

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Re: the Walpole baronies

Baron Walpole of Walpole was created for the 1st Earl's eldest son in 1723. He passed it to his son who died unmarried. Normally this would mean it would have become extinct, so there must have been a special remainder, because it apparently passed to the famous Horace (did it? or was he bypassed?) and then to his cousin (the 1st earl of the 1806 creation), who had already succeeded to his father's creation as Baron Walpole of Wolterton. Or have I got something wrong here? Mintguy 06:34, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

The barony became extinct. The Earldom of Orford passed briefly to HW at the end of his life: Enc. Britt.: 'His nephew, the reckless 3rd earl, died on the 5th of December 1791, and Horace succeeded to the peerage, but he never took his place in the House of Lords, and sometimes signed his name as " the uncle of the late earl of Orford." ' Wetman

If the barony became extinct (which is should have done unless there was a special remainder) and it wasn't recreated, the current Lord Walpole wouldn't be Baron Walpole of Walpole and Baron Walpole of Wolterton see Burke's peerage [1] Mintguy 06:49, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

You're right, there was a special remainder. Robert Walpole, the 2nd Earl of Orford of the 1742 creation, was created "Baron Walpole of Walpole" in 1723 with a special remainder, failing heirs male of his body, to his brothers, Edward and Horatio, and to his father, Robert Walpole, in like manner, with remainder finally to the heirs male of the body of his grandfather, Robert Walpole. George Walpole, the 3rd Earl of Orford of the 1742 creation, and the 2nd Baron "Walpole of Walpole", died unmarried, at which time the Baorny passed to his uncle Horatio (Horace) Walpole (the subject of the article). He died unmarried, and the Barony devolved upon his cousin and heir male, Horatio Walpole (son of Horatio, 1st Baron "Walpole of Wolverton"). The Earldom of Orford became extinct on the death of Robert Horace Walpole in 1931, but the Baronies of Walpole of Walpole and Walpole of Wolterton devolved on his distant cousin and heir male, Robert Henry Montgomerie Walpole. -- Someone else 07:12, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

In case that's less than clear: the 2nd Earl of Orford became a peer before his father did: it was a way of honouring the father, whose political career would have been discommoded by accepting a peerage. This explains, in part, the special remainder. The father, the 1st Earl, became a peer only after retiring as Prime Minister. -- Someone else 07:27, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Cofferer of the Household

Gentlemen, could that have another Horace Walpole who held that position? This particular individual would have been only 13 years old in 1730.--Anglius 01:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Good eye. It was his uncle, Horatio Walpole, 1st Baron Walpole of Wolterton. Fixed. Choess 02:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nelson Namesake

In the opening paragraph: "and namesake of his cousin Lord Nelson." Nelson was Horatio, not Horace, so not his namesake. I have edited, but thought I'd comment here in case the author was referring to some other connection. Pipnosis 16:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

"Horace" is a familiar form of "Horatio", I believe. See the 1911 EB entry on him, for instance. Choess 18:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure, you could be right on that one. Even if it's technically true, I think it still reads a bit odd, when most people know him as Horatio. I'm not overly set on my edit, though - your call. Pipnosis 22:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)