Talk:Horace Mann

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Contents 1 Time for a protection 2 Image added 3 Reverted edits of banned user 4 References to Other Perspectives of Horace Mann 5 NPOV 6 lost 7 Abolitionist?

[edit] Time for a protection

This page is literally being monitored and followed by vandals. Nine vandal editions in just seven days (from March 17) and this is just an addition to a large file of previous attacks. Isn't it time for a protection? --Filius Rosadis 16:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you that this page has been subject to much vandalism. However, Wikipedia:Protection Policy seems to indicate that protection is used very sparingly, and mostly for either high-profile pages or pages subject to heavy or coordinated attacks. I've seen plenty other higher-profile, more highly-vandalised pages that are still unprotected. I think we should just keep this page on our watchlists and revert as needed. We can handle 1 or 2 reverts a day. You take 1, I'll take the other :) AbsolutDan 05:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image added

Found a very cool old daguerreotype of Mann in the LOC collection - handsome politician by Mass. standards. ;-) Matthew Brady studio portrait.--BradPatrick 14:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted edits of banned user

Reverted edits of banned user Amorrow with sock puppets IP 71 addresses. FloNight ^talk 05:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References to Other Perspectives of Horace Mann

This article seems to be primarily based upon turn of the 20th century opinions about Horace Mann that present him as the creator and "savior" of standard American Educational System. I am new to wikipedia and don't yet feel qualified to manage a full rewrite of an article, but I have found conflicting opinions from several sources that hold that he is one of a number of educational proponents that ushered in a ridged and systematic set of rules for pedagogy that have resulted in a substantial disdain and disinterest for learning by students and resulted in killing the literacy level in the U.S.

See Beyond Culture by the cultural anthropologist, Edward T. Hall (1976-Doubleday) chapter 13 and back notes where he says:

"Implicit in the U.S. educational pattern are large rewards to the highly articulate and those who can work with figures - little else pays off. Consequently students are left stranded overworked, or eliminated by the system not because they don't have brains and talent, but because their particular skills don fit this system - a system, incidentally, that was modeled after the Prussian Army by Horace Mann, first commissioner of education in Massachusetts. The system badly needs updating."

For further consideration, reference: [1]

Also reference: [2]

If this seems appropriate, should these other opinions be added to provide readers with a broader perspective?

--KeithFail 08:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

I have added an NPOV tag because I think some of the comments in that paragraph are inappropriate or just untrue; I think it would be hard to prove that Everett or Mann were trying to construct a system that would produce barely educated factory workers. I think you could talk about how they were concerned about Americanizing the incoming immigrants; I think that would be valid. On the whole, though, I think most historians of education would view Mann's work as important in professionalizing and improving what had been a poorly funded and poorly regarded public education system. (Not that I would necessarily disagree with User:KeithFail above; what was an improvement in the 19th century is not necessarily so great today!) Brianyoumans 01:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm being bold and removing what seem to be clear WP:NPOV violations in the Educationist Work section. --Zippy 07:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] lost

Note: the following discussion originated at Talk:Lydia Sigourney; inasmuch as someone more interested in Mann than in Sigourney may be able to answer the question, mkoyle copied it here.

I have seen the quotation

Lost, yesterday, somewhere between sunrise and sunset, two golden hours, each set with sixty diamond minutes. No reward is offered, for they are gone forever!

attributed to Lydia Sigourney and Horace Mann on the web. Does anyone have a solid source? --Slashme 08:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I just spent a good while trying to find this anywhere; the standard quote books attribute it to Horace Mann, but do not indicate where it was published (which is a bit unusual) (This applies to both the 2002 The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations and the 1968 Familiar Quotations by John Bartlett as well as the 2002 Bartlett’s Familiar Quotations). I am working on this still. If someone does know the original source, please post ;) --Matthew K 00:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abolitionist?

The article lead says that Mann was a prominent abolitionist, but this isn't discussed anywhere else in the article.

Dialectric (talk) 13:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Most of this article is pathetically unsourced. Maybe your fact tags will spur people into action. --Midnightdreary (talk) 14:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)